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miracle grow moisture control?
#7976453 - 02/04/08 03:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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if i use this instead of jiffy mix ( cause i can't find it) do i need to add lime and test ph etc? or can i just case it from the bag?
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joshua m
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7976463 - 02/04/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not do it better with a 50/50 + that i use that came from hippie chick
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: joshua m]
#7976464 - 02/04/08 03:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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came from who? i don't wanna go buy verm and peat cause i don't feel like sitting there testing ph lvls...
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7976466 - 02/04/08 03:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thought this would help:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7444757#7444757
Some people use it for casing straight out of the bag.
Search function ftw!
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Crasher]
#7977092 - 02/04/08 10:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok ty i know i got lazy . but imma go get some and use it right from the bag, well sterilize it first.
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shroober
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7977100 - 02/04/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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don't sterilize, pasteurize instead
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: shroober]
#7977104 - 02/04/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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u would say no to microwave? like 3-4 times?
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shroober
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7977116 - 02/04/08 10:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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not sure about the microwave stuff, never used that method. what im saying is don't fully sterilize the casing mix. instead, pasteurize using one of the many pasteurization teks around here.
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: shroober]
#7977129 - 02/04/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok well i have one more question im going to do 2 casings 1 with crumbled cakes, and other WBS. im going to put a layer of MGMC down then the cakes, and on other then WBS then top it with MGMC. will that be fine?
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7977150 - 02/04/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7977158 - 02/04/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude even RR says pasteurize. How ever i did that for a while and got trich on a regular basis. Find the microwave tek. As for me I ALWAYS STERILIZE NEVER PASTEURIZE. JUST MY 2CENTS.
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ok theres no verm so i'll make it 70/30, MGMC/Verm i think that would help and i've seen alot of good grows using MGMC so far.
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: Supplier]
#7977176 - 02/04/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sterilizing/Pasteruizing Casing? Never sterilize your casings because it kills the beneficial bacteria that is a pinning trigger and helps fight off contamination. Dead sterilized casing layers have no beneficial micro-organisms to protect it, the chances of contamination are higher, especially with no ph balancing. Farms don't sterilize or pasteurize casing layers either, some species won't even pin if it's been heat treated, the micro-organisms are pinning triggers. Another point is not to sterilize peat or coir in a pressure cooker. Part of what helps initiate pinning is bacteria in the casing layer. If you sterilize it, you lose this feature. Best to pasteurize only. One more point. My research has shown that it is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive to 'incubate' the casing layer. If you case when the substrate is 90% or so covered with mycelium, the myc is growing rapidly and will infiltrate the casing even if you expose to fruiting conditions immediately after applying the casing layer. I've found that if I apply casing, then leave uncovered and exposed to light(which I do from day one, by the way) overlay is never a problem, but the myc colonizes enough of the lower casing to be able to transfer moisture into the substrate. This also leaves a bit of uncolonized casing material to provide all those little 'humid micro-environments' to stimulate pinning. I actually get pissed off when the myc pokes through the casing, even a little bit. It's good to paseurize them tho, becasue peat and coir sometimes have eggs or other things you don't want and none of those more complex organisms can survive paseurization
Also using lime/gypsum LIME especially is NOT contam friendly...you're almost guaranteed no contaminants using lime...Low magnesium Non-Dolomite Hydrated Lime.
How to pasteurize in perfect pasteurization temps you can use without leaching and taking nutrients away...
Glass jars, Hydrate manure/casing to field capacity, load jars, put cold water in big pot, put jars in with foil covering them NO LIDS, put a meat theremometer in the middle of one jar so you can measure the temps for all the middle of the jars. Perferably 150-160...Glass is an insulator. That's why the water in the kettle can be heated to boiling without overheating the substrate or casing material within the jar. A meat thermometer is stuck the center of the jar. By following my procedure, you'll get perfect pasteurization every time. Other methods work as well.
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shevanel
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how long do you hold that temp of 150-160?
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shevanel
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how long do you hold that temp of 150-160?
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Re: miracle grow moisture control? [Re: shevanel]
#7977265 - 02/04/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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1 Hour is fine
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