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primativezen
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DMT and Music
#7975561 - 02/03/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to be ingesting 3 grams of syrian rue and smoking ~60 mg of dmt this week and wanted to start preparing. I'm going to be out on a remote hill overlooking a valley on a warm day this week and will be bringing along my ipod and headphones.
I've tripped DMT twice, with no MAOI, so I've got experience and know what sounded good. Anyone have any recommendations for what to listen to whilst on DMT, because this is gonna be a longgg trip! I'm going to make a playlist, lay down, and immerse myself, I should peak for ~1 HOUR 
Here's the list I've got going so far, please help me if you've got some experience: Shpongle - Divine Moments of Truth, and Dorset Perception (will definitely have to find some more tracks, as I've got both cd's) Telefon Tel Aviv - Sound in a Dark Room, John Thomas On the Inside is Nothing but Foam (equally as mind blowing as Shpongle) Tristeza - Stumble On Air, Beige Finger, Electrolytes, and Liquid Pyramids Tool - Right In Two Leaving Footprints - Forefathers Aram Aram - Dakini Royksopp - In Space Aphex Twin - Xtal, Heliosphan Board of Canada - In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country, Roy G Biv STS9 - Life's Sweet Breath live and maybe Equinox Azure Ray - The Drinks We Drank Last Night
These are all subject to change, so if you can help me out!
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Edited by primativezen (02/03/08 09:57 PM)
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Phishe
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Why don't you take the DMT orally if you are taking an maoi?
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primativezen
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: Phishe]
#7975605 - 02/03/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you suggesting I cap the chrystals and eat em?
I don't have any mhrb or anything, as I received this from a friend..
Do you think this would be more intense or last longer or both? From what I've heard as far as intensity, smoking is the way to go, and an hour seems plenty long.
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Edited by primativezen (02/03/08 10:10 PM)
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Phishe
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I'm pretty sure eating it will make it last much longer. That is normally the point of taking an MAOI with it, so it works orally.
You should research this because I'm not very experienced with dmt.
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If you want a Pharmahuasca experience that will stretch out over hours I would suggest ingesting the crystals orally. Measure out a dose of about 100mg and cap em and eat em after the rue sets in about an hour earlier. Search the Trip Reports forums for pharmahuasca reports from namaste.
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primativezen
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I read the reports, what was I looking for? As I said, I think an hour would be plenty long, considering my two 5 minutes trips felt like well over an hour long...I just don't want to fuck this up, Namaste said he took 110 mgs, and I have half of that..
My friend who gave me this has done this as well as some of his friends and recommended to smoke it, so I don't know, I'm not throwing out your advice, because I'm seriously considering it, but I don't want to have too light an experience because I ingested too little of it orally.
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namaste said: I highly doubt that I will ever smoke DMT again, it's interesting, but I get no where near the benefit in my life that oral consumption of DMT + a MAOI can provide.
I wonder if this would apply if I'm still taking the MAOI. Namaste you out there?
Any music recommendations anyone? I think I read somewhere on erowid about Tulku? I'll have to check it out.
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Edited by primativezen (02/03/08 11:29 PM)
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notapillow
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wow i cant belive nameste said that. that is itrueging
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thedudenj
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yeah oral is nicer tho i think IV with a drip or something like that can top it lol
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Smoking dmt on an maoi will just make the experience more intense and longer lasting as per dosage. The only real big difference is how fast it will take for the effects to assimilate into your awareness (instantly) compared to administering it as pharmahuasca. You would also reach baseline sooner.
However, inhalation gives you the advantage of over-sensitivity, and the smoking technique allows for rapid absorption via airway; meaning you'd need much much less to get off, and you would be wayyy out for longer. Though not as long as eating it.
If you're stumped on what to do here, don't get too hung up over it. After all, dmt is dmt and regardless you will be down and out for the count. Although, unless you have a reason for wanting to go further for longer, I'd say:
JUST SMOKE IT YO!
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primativezen
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Taken from D. M. Turner's trip report DMT Water Spirit on erowid:
The speed at which visual images develop is slower than with those that accompany the 'flash' of smoked DMT. I've found that this allows me to absorb the content of the images more fully. In nearly all manners, these ingested DMT tryps have exceeded my experience of smoked DMT.
Well fuck, I was right there with you peepr until I read this...haha decisions decisions..
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rofl, point taken. If it was me though, I'd want to try smoking it like that first, and THEN delve into the aya experience. I don't know, just seems like you should be able to develop a better appreciation for actually having better control when that time arrives.
I was going to mention how much faster/chaotic smoking is compared to ingestion. Fucking figures I'd leave that out, huh? lol
Anyway, D. M. Turner says way better things than I do. Not to mention he like...IS D.M.T. So really I can't say shit, lol.
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donvliet
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I think you also need a higher dose than 60 mg for an oral DMT trip. I found this on forums.ayahuasca.com
these figures are for a good average MAO dose, say 3-5 grams of rue...with an average person of average body weight who is typically well prepared and capable of dealing with psychotropic states.
30mg - something is going on....for most people this is not nearly enough to be of any signfigance, unless one is taking a very large MAOI dose....or a lot of ayahuasca vine. This may be a good introduction.
60mg - possibly light visuals, probably not very much. A good gentle self obervational, light physical opening. Walking around and interacting should be easy.
Most should have no problems dealing with this dose.
100mg - clear visuals, opening, brightening of all senses, a good effect. Probably a good standard dose. Walking around and sitting upright are very possible. Maybe there can be a beginning for interdimensional communciations and the like. Good for singing and bodywork, sorting out the personal inventory etc.
150mg - strong for many people, where it gets more visionary and immersed for others, where the transpersonal really beings to kick in. Many won't find they are really getting to where they want to go with this dose.
200mg - usually a solid immersive visionary experience, where one is still able to navigate the physical reality if need be.
250mg - many are pretty much pinned to the floor, this dose can be very workable for many people.
300mg - a good standard, strong visionary dose, as much as 90% of people would ever really want to do. This is where interdimensional communication, obe like experiences, and very unusual and experientially real phenemona really come to the fore. Although, 200mg may do the same thing for other people.
400mg - some people need this much (of large body weight and tolerance to substances in general!), but usually 300mg is about the upper limit, beyond that it can become difficult to work with for most.
500mg - too 'full on' to really work with for most...just too much information....the elements that arise may become too distorted and 'excited' for their to really be grounding and/or assimilation.
700-1000mg - no recall to little recall whatsoever, can be very stressfull to the system, where the quality of overdosing in the smoked DMT state comes into play. i.e. convulsing, frothing at the mouth, eyes rolling backwards.
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satyr
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: donvliet]
#7976579 - 02/04/08 05:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i picked up this cd called Spirit Flutes from wal-mart for like five dollars; it really sets the mood and provides a peaceful atmosphere during my aya sessions. our how about some didgeridoo or shamanic drumming?
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thedudenj
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: satyr]
#7977563 - 02/04/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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? mao is in stomach. smoking dmt and maoi doesn't really do much other then your on the maoi and your feeling dmt it doesn't prolong it. your just tripping on maoi then on dmt and maoi then just maoi again. but any who fuck when tripping on that stuff i can take something that has no effect and have it have effect. so shurg
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: thedudenj]
#7977910 - 02/04/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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@ thedudenj: MAO also works in the brain. MAOI type antidepressants work by reducing MAO activity in the brain so neurotransmitter levels stay higher. They also work in the gut like you said, but not ONLY there.
I am on moclobemide (reversible MAOI) at the moment and smoked DMT is at least twice as potent compared to normal. The duration is also longer.
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thedudenj
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: donvliet]
#7977977 - 02/04/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how much longer cause with rue there was not change other then being on rue as long as rue lasts
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donvliet
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: thedudenj]
#7978045 - 02/04/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's weird, I get definite potentiation and slightly longer duration. Maybe twice as long as normal or a bit less.
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primativezen
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I think I'm just going to stick to the original plan and smoke it then, especially considering the fact that I probably don't have enough to fully enjoy it orally, lol
As far as faster/choatic goes I'm sure its very similar to smoking it without the MAOI, and I think I'm prepared for that. I can't fucking wait, I just gotta bring myself to fast for a whole 24 hours... ...stomach's gonna be pissed about that lol
After I read that erowid report I most definately am going to find a nice body of water to smoke near
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thedudenj
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Re: DMT and Music [Re: donvliet]
#7978085 - 02/04/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmm now a good question is whats the psychological effects of that maoi that you take. is it anything like how rue or caapi are ? most likely in low doses
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primativezen
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from what i've heard from friends, a normal 5 minute dmt trip when taking 3 grams of rue becomes a good hour long experience....
satyr - I just download a cd called tribal matrix with some didjeridoo and drumming that seems interesting, already found a few tracks I enjoy...If you've got any specific names you can throw at me that'd be cool
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