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Lion
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If you're talking to someone...
#7974315 - 02/03/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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and you don't think that person is worth your time, or you're upset with what that person is saying or uncomfortable... try this: Imagine both of you are suddenly dying. Your both just barely clinging to life, soon both of these bodies will be an empty shell. I tried this a bit tonight and what I felt shining through was our common nature. I was not particularly uncomfortable with this person, but I normally feel that this person is very dissimilar from myself, and all his neurotic tendencies often annoy me. But in this case I felt that we were, indeed, the same being, that if we were both dying and the end was coming, all of my ego games would go out the door, all of my feelings about where I am on the spiritual path in relation to most people... all out the door, and all there is is two beings, of the same stuff, returning to the same.....?
Powerful stuff.
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evolprim
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Lion]
#7974357 - 02/03/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so when you feel uncomfortable pretending you are dying?
how bout just not taking yourself, or any idea of the truth so seriously?
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MushroomTrip
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7974388 - 02/03/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that's what he was trying to imply by this example.
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7974439 - 02/03/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That would work too!
Yeah, MT, you're right. This was kind of a suggested technique for not taking oneself or one's version of the truth so seriously.
If we were dying right now I'd totally be all like "Bopppp!"
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7974446 - 02/03/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha probably, but his description sounds a little silly
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Lion]
#7974447 - 02/03/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is very, very good to be able to look past the things we like and don't like about another person's character; past the Illusion.
Imagining the death of you and your friend is Maya (Illusion).
Neem Karoli Baba said it best "If you cannot love each other, you cannot achieve your goal."
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7974468 - 02/03/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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evolprim said: haha probably, but his description sounds a little silly
Sometimes you have to take things a little to extreme to point out the near reality that we're inclined to omit.
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: dirtworshipper]
#7974478 - 02/03/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah but how do we know its maya at all in the first place. how do we know the hindus/buddhists werent completely fucked out of their skulls and assumed what they were experiencing was universal truth without having the same sort of scientific methods for analyzing the world that we do today.
and if it is really maya, well lets enjoy the illusion to its fullest.
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7974535 - 02/03/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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evolprim said: yeah but how do we know its maya at all in the first place. how do we know the hindus/buddhists werent completely fucked out of their skulls and assumed what they were experiencing was universal truth without having the same sort of scientific methods for analyzing the world that we do today.
Well, you're completely right. How do we know? Who knows? Not "I". But maybe those people who have realized the Illusion and detached themselves from themselves have the idea. Maybe not. But they are fully blissed out!!
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and if it is really maya, well lets enjoy the illusion to its fullest.
Oh, yes! Fully! We have to love Her!
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Neem Karoli Baba chided: "This world is all attachment. Yet you get worried because you are attached."
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Edited by dirtworshipper (02/03/08 06:21 PM)
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: dirtworshipper]
#7974577 - 02/03/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats a good quote, attachment is attachment, but non attachment is just a different form of attachment.
i guess there are no definite answers to those questions.
the more you learn the less you know
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Lion]
#7974579 - 02/03/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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powerful technique. there's many that will do the trick but they all have a common purpose: to surrender. not to surrender to a person, a thing, or an idea; not even to surrender to the moment..
but to just surrender for the sake of surrendering itself.
let go to let go. be to be.

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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: dirtworshipper]
#7974595 - 02/03/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the idea of maya is a device to percieve the world in a way that inspires liberation. it dosent matter if the hindus were fucked out of their skull, it dosent matter if the idea is true or not. it is a device, and what matters is whether or not it works. if it works you'll know it works and there is no concern about truth. if there is a concern about truth, then the device is not working. all we really know is that we dont know, and the device helps one be okay with that, among other things
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Archemetis]
#7974611 - 02/03/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you are true, if it works then most people dont concern themselves with if its true or not.
but just for the sake of argument. imagine person A, this guy has a insane homicidal impulses. the only he is liberated from these impulses is to kill someone. these actions arent right ( i understand morality isnt a black and white thing, but i have yet to here a compelling argument on how murder is morally justifieable. anyway although the actions arent wrong, should he do them because they are liberating, or look for truth and right action?
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7974677 - 02/03/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think the idea of liberation means not having to do anything to feel at peace. person A is not liberated when he kills, he may be relieved from the homicidal impulse for a time, but it is not liberation, it is a relief. the tendancy is still there.
let me ask you, how can one look for truth and right action concerning things like maya? we are here now, born into our conciousness with no memories of how it came to be or from where it came. there is no way to find truth because we are subject searching for objective truth about ideas that are subjective.
i think the idea of maya means having no way of knowing what is illusion and what is real, when that is understood it makes life hard to take seriously when seriousness would harm our well being or our bliss.
Edited by Archemetis (02/03/08 06:53 PM)
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Archemetis]
#7974726 - 02/03/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the way you describe maya is not a subjective thing. it is distinguishing reality from illusion, those are objective things that can be discovered, and if they are true we should work at discovering them, not just burying our heads in the ground with belief.
i agree that life is not to be taken seriosuly, but i dont really know what that has to do with blurring the lines between illusion and reality, sounds more like a psychotic episode, than any insight into the universe. (although one could argue that a psychotic episode may reveal truths of our world)
ultimately though i agree that the point is to be happy, if thinking of it as maya helps then more power to you, but imho it is just a different means to an end so long as you arent hurting anyone
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: evolprim]
#7975017 - 02/03/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how do we know the hindus/buddhists werent completely fucked out of their skulls and assumed what they were experiencing was universal truth without having the same sort of scientific methods for analyzing the world that we do today.
No one knows...that's why we've got to find out.
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and if it is really maya, well lets enjoy the illusion to its fullest.
That's what hinduism/buddhism is all about...true joy. It's not about running away and living in a cave and avoiding the pleasures and pains of living.
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: Lion]
#7975699 - 02/03/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Made me think
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: LuNaTiX]
#7976349 - 02/04/08 01:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll tell you something though. Some people are just lame
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Re: If you're talking to someone... [Re: chilibow]
#7976912 - 02/04/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some times I just wanna suck the life out of people. Its hard to radiate anything positive around living dead kids.
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That's merely your interpretation.
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