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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7976762 - 02/04/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel like im in some weird percentile of people that are "aware" of their own lives. I just thought that if a place existed where there where more people like me this would be it.




I see. You are special and enlightened and the rest of us are jerks.

You'll encounter this dynamic wherever you go because you are the one with the chip on your shoulder. You blame the rest of the world for not thinking and behaving like you. Guess what: it's not the world's job to please you. Do yourself a favor and dump this elitist attitude. You are no better than the rest of us.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977007 - 02/04/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Life is dynamic.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977082 - 02/04/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel like im in some weird percentile of people that are "aware" of their own lives. I just thought that if a place existed where there where more people like me this would be it.




I see. You are special and enlightened and the rest of us are jerks.

You'll encounter this dynamic wherever you go because you are the one with the chip on your shoulder. You blame the rest of the world for not thinking and behaving like you. Guess what: it's not the world's job to please you. Do yourself a favor and dump this elitist attitude. You are no better than the rest of us.


dude gimmie a break. There's no way to say anything positive about yourself without seeming like an elitist. I honestly cant believe that you dont know what im talking about. there was a time that i was like the majority of the population, and since i changed my life i wish i could go back to being ignorant. I dont believe that im better than anyone, but as far as im concerned it's a survival mechanism. We should be trying to please the world not vice versa, i see your point but youre hugely wrong about me.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977128 - 02/04/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can only go by what you post.

It's lines like this that sound elitist to me:

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there was a time that i was like the majority of the population, and since i changed my life i wish i could go back to being ignorant.




I interpret this to mean: "The majority of the population is ignorant compared to me." That's elitism.

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dude gimmie a break. There's no way to say anything positive about yourself without seeming like an elitist.




Well you didn't really say anything positive about anybody. You said something negative about everyone else. You defined your strength in terms of everyone else's shortcomings. I'm just telling you that you'll always have a beef with the rest of the population as long as you view them as inferior. Give people more respect, and you'll get more.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977145 - 02/04/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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WhiskeyClone said:
I can only go by what you post.

It's lines like this that sound elitist to me:

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there was a time that i was like the majority of the population, and since i changed my life i wish i could go back to being ignorant.




I interpret this to mean: "The majority of the population is ignorant compared to me." That's elitism.

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dude gimmie a break. There's no way to say anything positive about yourself without seeming like an elitist.




Well you didn't really say anything positive about anybody. You said something negative about everyone else. You defined your strength in terms of everyone else's shortcomings. I'm just telling you that you'll always have a beef with the rest of the population as long as you view them as inferior. Give people more respect, and you'll get more.


Im not comparing all of the population to me alone, there are many others like me, but they arent as prominent as those not in control of their lives. And i said something positive about myself and anyone who has chosen a particular positive lifestyle. Having been on both sides of the fence i think that gives me the right to say that there are less people on the new side than the old. This is our generation, and as a generation we are changing minds and changing the future. Just as many have before us.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977195 - 02/04/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Im not comparing all of the population to me alone, there are many others like me, but they arent as prominent as those not in control of their lives. And i said something positive about myself and anyone who has chosen a particular positive lifestyle. Having been on both sides of the fence i think that gives me the right to say that there are less people on the new side than the old. This is our generation, and as a generation we are changing minds and changing the future. Just as many have before us.




I contend there is no 'fence,' and that you aren't doing yourself any favors by judging people in that way. I'm just saying you can benefit from refraining from making the assumption that a particular person embodies a certain predefined mindset.

There is no good reason to pigeonhole people like that; it only creates a bleak and depressing view of humanity. I did it for years and it got me nowhere. Just trying to help you out. Take what you can get from it.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977208 - 02/04/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well so far it's kept me out of trouble and situations i wouldnt want to be in. Youre speaking as if archetypes dont exist. Doesnt that apply right down to one's mindset?


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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977222 - 02/04/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Archetypes exist, but people are much more complex than them, therefore it is impossible for someone to match an archetype. Certain traits in people can resemble them, but the depth an breadth of any given personality is far too great to be summed up with an archetype.

Don't confuse the map for the territory.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977241 - 02/04/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i agree. labels don't stick to people as much as it may seem like they do.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977245 - 02/04/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i realize that being an individual allows you to stray from the archetype and steal from other archetypes. But how do you define a way of thinking without "generalizing" If it's possible there wouldnt be a word for hippies.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977257 - 02/04/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i realize that being an individual allows you to stray from the archetype and steal from other archetypes. But how do you define a way of thinking without "generalizing" If it's possible there wouldnt be a word for hippies.




Just to be aware of the assumptions you are making, and refrain from making any assumptions if possible. If you see someone in a tie-dye shirt, there's no reason to assume they do drugs, or that they don't bathe, or that they are a pacifist.

You may be right on the money, but that's no reason to assume. Give them the benefit of the doubt and you'll get the same respect back from most people.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977286 - 02/04/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that's the thing. Ive never gotten that respect from anyone. And being a hippie has nothing to do with the clothes you wear. People always like to assume things about me before they know me, which isnt always a bad thing i tried to give people the benefit of the doubt, but from experiences ive had it's made it easier to notice trends in the people around me. It may be regional or something, but where i am and have been all my life, it's easy to judge and be right b/c so many people are the same. A lot of what im saying isnt an assumption, it's an observation.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977303 - 02/04/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do what you like.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977311 - 02/04/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ugh. dont act like im not listening to you. im taking it all in. i feel like youre not listening to me.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977317 - 02/04/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Then give non-judgment a try. I have no more advice.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7977341 - 02/04/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i had an idea the other day i dont know if it's been done but, i was thinking about a voice forum that isnt a chat room. Because no matter how i try to explain, i cant seem express myself properly through text. so im just not going to try. im not judgemental where it counts and that works for me as being completely non judgemental works for you.


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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977557 - 02/04/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

preface: you are all being silly!

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I'm not judge mental where it counts and that works for me




does it work for you? you seem to be thinking that people are giving you a lot of flak about your opinions. It seems to upset you.

The world is a good place. Only insofar as that we are deciding what we think is good and what we think is bad. So the world really isn't a good place. Its just the world. And everyman has the right to form opinions. Its how we function. Every person has the right to make judgment calls, because thats how they learn to survive. But every person also has the choice of giving people the benefit of the doubt. This may make you vulnerable... and after all, who wants to be vulnerable?

nothing can touch you if you are in vulnerable, though.

Post script: Now I'm just being silly.


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Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
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Re: So i got banned [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7977589 - 02/04/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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