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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Phish20]
    #7978731 - 02/04/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I find acid way easier to control than mushrooms...Iv had many difficult shroom trips (Not bad trips)....and only 1 difficult acid trip...........LSD is more lucid feeling where shrooms are more confusing




What is the definition of a difficult trip as opposed to bad trip?

I don't think I've ever had a bad trip where I was having a horrible time the entire time or was scared or depressed, but it seems that every mushroom trip I take has its "difficult moments", usually at first, followed by tranqullity and euphoria.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Phish20]
    #7978757 - 02/04/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For me, mushrooms are more likely to be unexpectedly intense than LSD. Maybe that's partially attributable to the potency difference of individual shrooms. Maybe psilocin is especially sensitive to other chemical balances in the body. Something less obvious than the one-to-one correlation between DMT and MAOI's, but something that substantially affects the effects.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: enesi]
    #7978916 - 02/04/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Acid is much MUCH easier to control for me.

The first time I took acid I was sitting on a couch alone, and I thought "Could you have a bad trip on this?" I kept trying to spook myself for kicks but nothing would work.

I tried shrooms a month later for the first time and thought "Could you have a-"
...and the shrooms answered my question :frown:


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #7979134 - 02/04/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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One of my best friends lost her boyfriend a few years back when he bought a $100 vial of DOC and thought it was bunk or very weak so he downed the entire thing. 4 hours later he walked into a busy highway and ended his life. I realize this is an isolated case and that wasn't the smartest/most responsible thing to do, but the fact that the incident hits so close to home makes me weary of RC's being touted at LSD.




Yeah for real, no offense man.....But if your friends boyfriend bought a vial of something and downed the whole thing without even thinking twice because he "thought it was bunk" he didn't sound too smart. LSD is way more potent then DOC anyway, down in ug, while the DOx's are in the 1,2,3mg range. Even if it was real LSD I could only imagine how intense it would be even if it hadn't been DOC. It was a poor choice either way. Both are potent psychedelics, but who's to say something bad wouldn't have happened had he downed multiple mg's of LSD? Think about it. I know it was only a hundred bucks but still....He should have tested it or something. Blaming DOC, a perfectly safe drug when used responsibly and with caution, for the death of your friends boyfriend isn't logical. May his soul rest in peace, but it didn't have to be that way. He didn't have to swallow a whole vile of an unknown substance...


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Robo]
    #7979390 - 02/04/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Seraph in Blue said:
One of my best friends lost her boyfriend a few years back when he bought a $100 vial of DOC and thought it was bunk or very weak so he downed the entire thing. 4 hours later he walked into a busy highway and ended his life. I realize this is an isolated case and that wasn't the smartest/most responsible thing to do, but the fact that the incident hits so close to home makes me weary of RC's being touted at LSD.




Yeah for real, no offense man.....But if your friends boyfriend bought a vial of something and downed the whole thing without even thinking twice because he "thought it was bunk" he didn't sound too smart. LSD is way more potent then DOC anyway, down in ug, while the DOx's are in the 1,2,3mg range. Even if it was real LSD I could only imagine how intense it would be even if it hadn't been DOC. It was a poor choice either way. Both are potent psychedelics, but who's to say something bad wouldn't have happened had he downed multiple mg's of LSD? Think about it. I know it was only a hundred bucks but still....He should have tested it or something. Blaming DOC, a perfectly safe drug when used responsibly and with caution, for the death of your friends boyfriend isn't logical. May his soul rest in peace, but it didn't have to be that way. He didn't have to swallow a whole vile of an unknown substance...




No one is saying that it wasn't idiotic for him to do that. Even she agrees how unwise that was, but the fact that I see how it still affects her to this day, hits close to home. I'm not blaming DO* compounds, I'm blaming in part the ones who were passing it off as acid who must have known.

Also, Acid has a virtually impossible to reach LD50 in humans, even if he took many mg's of it, eventually the body would stop metabolizing it and as intense as it would have been for him, he probably would have survived the trip. Not so with the DO* compounds, their LD50's are much easier to attain and there have been a number of overdoses on them, particularly DOB. The DO's are therefore inherently not as safe and selling something to someone and passing it off as a safer chemical in my book is morally screwed.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #7979532 - 02/04/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok they are bastards for selling it. thats a given, but a whole vial come on now, while the dealer had a part in it. he didnt dump the shit in his mouth.

even if he took many mg's of it, eventually the body would stop metabolizing

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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #7979610 - 02/04/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, LSD is very hard to OD on, this is common knowledge. Yes, DOx compounds are easy to. But it doesn't even sound like he overdosed. You said he took the DOC then walked out into traffic, which ended his life.

Since we aren't talking about overdosing there is no reason to bring up "LD50" anywhere. Downing that much LSD (had it been LSD) might have had drastic effects as well. And as for your metabolizing argument, I wouldn't go so far as to say downing multiple milligrams of LSD would stop being intense at some point unless you yourself had downed that much LSD. Experience would be the key argument here, which none of us have in this particular scenario (mg's of LSD).

Also, yes the dealer who gave him that to begin with is low-life scum and I would get my revenge somehow. May your friends boyfriend rest in peace, and its a shame, but as we all seem to agree it was bad decision making to begin with.

I'm sorry though, that might be enough to make me think low and steer clear of RC's also. RIP :sad:


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: wildchild68]
    #7979640 - 02/04/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can eat five grams of mushrooms and be in complete control, but still trip very hard and have any amazing night.  This was actually friday night :smile:.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Robo]
    #7981175 - 02/05/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Omni said:
Yes, LSD is very hard to OD on, this is common knowledge. Yes, DOx compounds are easy to. But it doesn't even sound like he overdosed. You said he took the DOC then walked out into traffic, which ended his life.

Since we aren't talking about overdosing there is no reason to bring up "LD50" anywhere. Downing that much LSD (had it been LSD) might have had drastic effects as well. And as for your metabolizing argument, I wouldn't go so far as to say downing multiple milligrams of LSD would stop being intense at some point unless you yourself had downed that much LSD. Experience would be the key argument here, which none of us have in this particular scenario (mg's of LSD).

Also, yes the dealer who gave him that to begin with is low-life scum and I would get my revenge somehow. May your friends boyfriend rest in peace, and its a shame, but as we all seem to agree it was bad decision making to begin with.

I'm sorry though, that might be enough to make me think low and steer clear of RC's also. RIP :sad:




The reason I brought up the LD50 is not because of what happened to him, and yes, it very well may have happened on acid (though I believe what happened was because the delayed onset of the Do* as compared to acid, sublingually no less, fooled him into thinking it was inactive) It is because I believe it to be fundamentally wrong to mislead someone into buying and taking something more dangerous than what they think they're getting. It's pretty much a consensus in the pharmalogical community that LSD is safer than DO*'s or RC's in general.

I'm still a fan of 2C's, but the DO*'s really don't appeal to me at this point.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #12513088 - 05/05/10 08:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Personally when i trip on mushys i dont even feel the trip unless i smoke on them while im at 3.5g+ and im only 140 pounds. I agree with the total awkwardness in social situations and yea its definantly a passenger seat thing. Its kind of like you think something and you do it simultaneously, there's no thought about the consequences, positive or negative, you just react to get reactions. If that makes sense. Getting some freshly pressed tabs this weekend and am going to acid rip for my first time in my life. But back on the shrooms; I've had times where everyone's face at a party turned into the devil and they all seemed to be looking at me like i was doing something funny. Things like this can be infinitely overwhelming and I feel lucky to have not experienced a full fledged "journey to hell" quite yet. Shroom hallucinations can sometimes look more real than real life.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: SpiderWeB]
    #12513689 - 05/05/10 09:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

have fun ripping acid


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: g00ru]
    #12513828 - 05/05/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #12513845 - 05/05/10 10:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well, i'm usually one to say that LSD is way more fun and care-free than mushrooms. But I don't know anymore...I'm starting to think that maybe I've just been having strong mushroom trips and weaker acid trips. Because I had a couple trips on bigger doses of LSD that totally blew my mind...and now that lazy, yawny, teary-eyed mushroom thing sounds kind of nice in comparison. Floatyness and those slow, soft visuals. LSD is out of this world...I think it only seems to easy to handle because its typically packaged in such low doses maybe. But who knows. Mushrooms have always been pretty weird...


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: blacksun]
    #12513982 - 05/05/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Acid, for me, just makes reality more intense and my mind more clear, along with amphetamine-like stimulation and ultimate euphoria of rolls, hallucinations being add-ons to reality rather than full on warping of reality.

Shrooms are a major depressant and they make everything fuzzy, everything flows together sloppily and is prone to changing shapes or spontaneously patterning.

Shrooms are much harder to control, but usually lead to a much more emotional experience for me, while acid is the epiphany inducing stimulant.


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Re: Which do you find easier to control? [Re: enesi]
    #12514072 - 05/05/10 10:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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enesi said:
mushrooms toss me in the backseat, and take me for a ride.

lsd is a more of a controlled trip for me. Seems i am able to steer a bit through the thought processes as opposed to our fungal friend.

both are superb though, and both have their use.




this is the first post that i can relate to
and go figure, i relate completely ass-backwards to you enesi

to me when i'm tripping on shrooms i feel more sociable to an extent
while lsd seems to make me more prone to bad entities
and vulnerable to bad people in general

in the same light however, i absolutely LOVE both acid and sacred mushrooms
they both give such an enchanting feeling of inner harmony with such outstretched vibes resonating throughout the cosmos that
its hard for a person like me to get on here and read such things like
"control"
and "easy"
and relate them to acid or mushroom experiences

hey we're all a little different but the main objective is that
we're all the same
linking these two realities transcends into our everyday human experience
that we call
Life


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