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BlargIAmDead
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Dispells Nothing: Noob Reading Required
#7973374 - 02/03/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay childrens here we have the fruits of your and my labours. Now these are BRF cakes, 1/2 pints, colonized at 75-80 degrees, regular incandescent bulb in closet, they were not flipped or "knocked".
Inoculated December 9. Birthed them about a week and a half ago. Dunked in tap water (which is both very hard and chlorinated). Put them in a shotgun FC with about 5-7" inches of perlite and have misted and fanned them about every 2 hours when I'm awake and about 8 hour stretches in there where work and sleep take hold.
I've sprayed my mushrooms constantly pin, primordia, and fruits at about point blank range (6" range with some heavy misting above to let the mist fall). I've had 1 abort . Here is the first fruit. It is the Huautla strain. I've got Huautla, GT, and EQ all going int he same FC and I'll post some pics later to see who can tell the difference (for all you people claiming strain matters )
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7973393 - 02/03/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So what myth are you trying to dispel here?
Mushrooms need light to indicate when to create fruitbodies and the direction in which to grow, among other factors involved in the process.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: zathan]
#7973417 - 02/03/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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And I just showed they do not. They grew in complete darkness for their entire process. You don't need to knock your jars to give them head room or let CO2 "leak out". Directly spraying your cakes with pins doesn't cause aborts. Also, the myth that different strains need different climates or environments. And potentially later that people can tell the difference between strains. That you HAVE to use distilled or spring water for dunking and spraying. You don't. And maybe the unspoken (for all you bulk substrate folks ) that BRF cakes can't create large mushrooms.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7973460 - 02/03/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're confusing yourself. They colonized your jars in complete darkness, which is fine, you just want the mycelium to spread through the substrate so the light doesn't matter here. When you birthed them, they become exposed to a little light, which is enough for them to pin.
Direct spraying not causing aborts isn't really new.
Strain talk is very misguided especially when using strain names. You can selectively culture different traits to have your 'strain' prefer different things, but this involves a bit of culturing and work.
I don't think anyone worth their salt said everyone HAS to use distilled or spring, boiled tap is fine for the most part.
And lastly, BRF can create a few large mushrooms, but it cannot create many large mushrooms.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: zathan]
#7973514 - 02/03/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No. You're confused . I'm colonizing and fruiting in the same closet. So I fail to see how light going through glass is any more than the light going through the sides of my FC. In effect, the jars are in the dark. They aren't exposed to sunlight at all. The only light they get is a normal incandescent bulb (which I've HEARD isn't enough/won't work).
And sorry for making broad generalizations but I meant the post more for newbie information than taking shots at anyone's grow.
And if direct spraying isn't really new then how come I still see people warning to spray a light mist over your cakes to reduce aborts? And STILL see people posting about how strains all look different. And I still see people saying that the only way to go is spring water (though most times I will grant they are newer members ). Most of the old hands (tahoe, RR, shroomy1, etc) usually have all the good information that they have tested.
Again you'll have to forgive me if it seems like I'm picking anyone out and saying "YOUR WRONG" which I wasn't trying to do but I'll go ahead and do it...."YOUR WRONG" . This is just my own personal experience so all readers take this with a grain of verm.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7973531 - 02/03/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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incandesecnt bulbs work fine its impossible for you to work alongside them in complete darkness cause you wouldnt no what you were doing its nota myth its a fact they need some kind of light to trigger pinning
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: milkman]
#7973562 - 02/03/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay. I'll go ahead and concede defeat on the light issue. If someone who has done some experiment could chime in I'd much appreciate. Exactly how much light does it take for mushrooms to fruit? Is it really enough for them to get like 10 minutes of room sunlight a day? Also, will incandescent bulbs cause fruiting?
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7973609 - 02/03/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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A camera flash is enough light to tell them which direction to grow in.
It doesn't take much, they're incredibly sensitive to it. People use the more expensive lighting rigs to give a more even pinset and that's about it. Some claim that the blue spectrum light (6500K temp if I remember right) makes them grow bigger or stuff like that, but it probably has more to do with the mycelium recognizing the spectrum of light prevalent at dusk, when wild shrooms start most of their growing.
Basically, if you can see the cakes, it's enough light to make them pin.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: Skeeblix]
#7973635 - 02/03/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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what do you mean that you can directly mist them??? Are you sure about this? If this is true and good for them than how come no body does this??? I mean seriously. Nobody here gets their cakes wet. The masses have to be right.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
#7973666 - 02/03/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright. Thanks Skeeblix and yeah yeah tahoe, I'll go ahead and admit that I was less worried about my spraying with your posts on direct spraying. No go back to your semi-naked significant other. :P
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7973708 - 02/03/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good work
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: Theoneandonly]
#7973737 - 02/03/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
#7973810 - 02/03/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Inoculated on Dec 9??? You should have harvested dozens of mushrooms by now, yet you point to one, the FIRST mushroom as proof that mushrooms don't need much light. Get a grip brother. What I and other experienced growers have said for years is that if you're happy with a shitty harvest, then ambient room light is plenty. However, if you want a knock your socks off, edge to edge harvest with lots of mushrooms, use proper lighting, all other factors being equal.
Thanks for re-affirming for yourself and all the rest of the noobs out there what we've been saying all along. RR
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7973861 - 02/03/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i was wondering about that also, 1 mushroom off of one cake. Shitty
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
#7973933 - 02/03/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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so RR. whats good lighting for them? I was planning on just turning my closet light on (which is where they are). Is that going to be alright? I mean I'm sure it will work, but is there some lighting I can use that would be better? How much light/dark is best?
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: ismokeweed]
#7974134 - 02/03/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Theres no dispute that you can grow mushrooms with very little light or frequent air exchanges. However what has been shown is that good strong light in the right colour temperature with good FAE and humidity will promote the best results you can get.
Also note that there has been discussion on how cakes like being wet, which i believe they do but there is evidence that standing droplets can cause aborts.
Your experiment is all well and fine but unless you carry this out with multiple grows using a strain that has been grown out on agar and seperated to 1 strain then tested to be a good fruiting strain and compared to multiple grows in optimal conditions. Then your results dont prove anything.
I grow in similar situation as you, the only reason i dont go all out and provide the best i can is i dont need to grow that many shrooms.
there are many topics discussing lighting, fluerescent in the daylight range (5000k to 7000k) a good choice for small grows is a CFL
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7974707 - 02/03/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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BlargIAmDead said: No. You're confused . I'm colonizing and fruiting in the same closet. So I fail to see how light going through glass is any more than the light going through the sides of my FC. In effect, the jars are in the dark. They aren't exposed to sunlight at all. The only light they get is a normal incandescent bulb (which I've HEARD isn't enough/won't work).
And sorry for making broad generalizations but I meant the post more for newbie information than taking shots at anyone's grow.
And if direct spraying isn't really new then how come I still see people warning to spray a light mist over your cakes to reduce aborts? And STILL see people posting about how strains all look different. And I still see people saying that the only way to go is spring water (though most times I will grant they are newer members ). Most of the old hands (tahoe, RR, shroomy1, etc) usually have all the good information that they have tested.
Again you'll have to forgive me if it seems like I'm picking anyone out and saying "YOUR WRONG" which I wasn't trying to do but I'll go ahead and do it...."YOUR WRONG" . This is just my own personal experience so all readers take this with a grain of verm.
YOU'VE CONFUSED YOURSELF . who ever said an incandescent bulb won't work.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: brainsOplenty]
#7974720 - 02/03/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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light is light be it sunlight , incandescent, or flourescent. LIGHT TRIGGERS PINNING! look around and you will find this to be true.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: brainsOplenty]
#7975139 - 02/03/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not quite. Light at the higher end of the spectrum is far superior to light at the low end of the spectrum. Incandescent light bulbs with a color temperature of 3,000 kelvin are considered 'red', and natural daylight fluorescent with a color temperature of 6,500 kelvin are considered 'blue' which is superior. Search the above terms for much more. RR
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#7975178 - 02/03/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have grown mushrooms in the most horrendous conditions against every "suggestion" here. That is what they are- "suggestions". It's easy to fail miserably, or succeed poorly. To see your actions and strategys come to life in a manner you want to scream it our loud with excitement.
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: lovingtickels]
#7975478 - 02/03/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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BRF cakes CAN and DO produce LARGE fruits Ive seen 75grams wet Personally off of double stacked 1/2 pint cakes.


 see that big one in the middle? most recent large mushie 55 grams wet. Double stacked 1/2 pint BRF cakes
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: P.Menace]
#7975800 - 02/03/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
P.Menace said: BRF cakes CAN and DO produce LARGE fruits Ive seen 75grams wet
Depends on one's definition of large I suppose. Here are some of my typical "medium to large" fruits.
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: zathan]
#7975906 - 02/03/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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typical m to l? do tell whats the strain thats l to me
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: lovingtickels]
#7975971 - 02/03/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah I'd call mine Typical Medium Sized... For Treasure Coast on BRF cakes. lets see how they turn out on a casing of Hpoo spawned with WBS, I will know later this week
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: P.Menace]
#7976022 - 02/03/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your opinions on large fruits and large yields are based on your own personal opinions. Not facts. Your frutis are large to your cake size maybe, but in the world of mushrooms they are average. Also your yield is large to you because the cake is covered, but the quantity is not alot. If you have never grown before I can see how you think this. If you ever grew bulk you wouldnt. Its like saying Ma & Pa's shop is busy and makes alot of money. But then there is WalMart, and that IS busy and IS alot of money compared to WalMart. It aint possible. Bulk is better no matter how you try to put it.
I dont understand how people are always trying to put down old thoughts. YES you can do it with less light, or diffrent lights. Will it be as successful, no. The "rules" dont say use distilled water, its reccommended because you will get more in return for this input then if you use toilet water, which also works but not as well. It would be more beneficial to you the posters to say "Hey look what I did and it worked!" then to say that somthing is a myth, or lie, or un-necessary. Remember we all came here to learn, and then to trash the teaching of those before us is disrespectful. We need to share and learn together, not bash or trash!
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: lovingtickels]
#7976118 - 02/04/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i wish I knew the proper reference to the study, but somone successfully grew p. cubensis by exposing it to less that one one hundredth of a second of light a day. I can't, however, testify to the quality of the harvest. The water on the surface of the cake should, and by the date's cited, has, slowed pinning. A lot of these assumptions aren't black and white rules, but many people, are wretchedly paranoid of them. As if to say a string of blue LED lights will work, whereas ambient lighting will not. The Mycellium needs, to further produce life, create spores, and to do this, the mushrooms are created. It will find a way, if possible to produce fruit, however, the affluence of these productions are up to so many factors.
The one thing I would like to back the thread poster on, is this idea that the PF style BRF cakes will not produce large fruits. I heartily disagree to this notion in its entirety. I don't know the the record for mushroom production from half pint BRF cakes, or half pint any substrate cakes, however, I know that if you can produce 8 ounces of fruit, from 16 jars, made into 4 jar casings, then all is quite well. I know not either the record for the largest cube cultivated, but I have myself grown caps 10 inches in diameter from BRF, actually, less than a year ago. I don't know why any cultivator would smite the productivity of BRF.
But all be well, friends. We seem often lost in a world only so little to our appetitie for understanding. These, the species we have come to love and study, seem to surprise me more and more every day, as everyone finds for themselves the greatest way to cultivate. It seems more an issue, in the end, to study how it is that the mushroom does will itself to be an offering unto some few deserving humans. And cusping on a topic I know to better be placed within the spiritual forums, I digress. Be well, all.
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: Eat The Rich]
#7976232 - 02/04/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Growing Mushrooms is Like Being a Doctor. IMO... Its ALL practice, BASED on science- Through Opinions and Experiences are we going to LEARN anything. One guy says "hey I grew Mushrooms with NO light or Misting" and another says he did it all wrong... Did He really? or did He LEARN something? Is it FACT or Opinion? Correct answers... Yes/No, Yes, Opinion. There are many reasons why he MAY have did it wrong based on Lighting,Rh,Temp,Misting. BUT Cubensis can and will adapt to any given environment, within a relative range, also some Cubensis have been known to grow out in the middle of Sun beaten pastures, and in the deepest darkest caves in the world where there is no light. There are still many Unknown factors as to exactally Why/How mycelium Produces fruit. Fact: It does. Question. Why? Answer. To further reproduce by spreading spores Question. How? Answer. IDK
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: P.Menace]
#7979081 - 02/04/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't be hating RR :P. It was just the first mushroom to open all the way up. I'm printing all my caps and I WAS going to support FSR or give them away to those deserving but if you're going to be a butt about it...;). And I am proud of my shitty harvest. Very proud indeed.
Sorry this turned into such a much disputed topic. Wasn't trying to spread disinformation but from what I have read it was that ambient sunlight was ABSOLUTELY needed as a pinning trigger. I went ahead and modified the first post. Apparently I just need to keep reading. And I am learning.
About colonization time, they spent their entire life in my cozy closet at 75-80 degrees and they ARE 1/2 pints so I'll say I'm happy with it. And if you knock that then you're just knocking your own room temp advice :P. Granted lots more things come into play such as I have some particularly damp jars just finishing colonizing now.
And just to prove that I'm not an utter failure and to boost my flagging morale from the constant barrage upon my growing abilities and mental capacities here's pics of my FC with my current first flush.
The two cakes at the top and the one in the middle on the left got stuck in the FC later than the two on the bottom and one on the right.
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You can see in the pic below how the mushroom has burrowed it's way into the perlite. Very weird .
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And because it's cute and to show the love me:
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