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    #7973374 - 02/03/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay childrens here we have the fruits of your and my labours. Now these are BRF cakes, 1/2 pints, colonized at 75-80 degrees, regular incandescent bulb in closet, they were not flipped or "knocked".

Inoculated December 9. Birthed them about a week and a half ago. Dunked in tap water (which is both very hard and chlorinated). Put them in a shotgun FC with about 5-7" inches of perlite and have misted and fanned them about every 2 hours when I'm awake and about 8 hour stretches in there where work and sleep take hold.

I've sprayed my mushrooms constantly pin, primordia, and fruits at about point blank range (6" range with some heavy misting above to let the mist fall). I've had 1 abort :laugh:. Here is the first fruit. It is the Huautla strain. I've got Huautla, GT, and EQ all going int he same FC and I'll post some pics later to see who can tell the difference (for all you people claiming strain matters :wink:)

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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7973393 - 02/03/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So what myth are you trying to dispel here?

Mushrooms need light to indicate when to create fruitbodies and the direction in which to grow, among other factors involved in the process.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: zathan]
    #7973417 - 02/03/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And I just showed they do not. They grew in complete darkness for their entire process. You don't need to knock your jars to give them head room or let CO2 "leak out". Directly spraying your cakes with pins doesn't cause aborts. Also, the myth that different strains need different climates or environments. And potentially later that people can tell the difference between strains. That you HAVE to use distilled or spring water for dunking and spraying. You don't. And maybe the unspoken (for all you bulk substrate folks :smile:) that BRF cakes can't create large mushrooms.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7973460 - 02/03/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You're confusing yourself. They colonized your jars in complete darkness, which is fine, you just want the mycelium to spread through the substrate so the light doesn't matter here. When you birthed them, they become exposed to a little light, which is enough for them to pin.

Direct spraying not causing aborts isn't really new.

Strain talk is very misguided especially when using strain names. You can selectively culture different traits to have your 'strain' prefer different things, but this involves a bit of culturing and work.

I don't think anyone worth their salt said everyone HAS to use distilled or spring, boiled tap is fine for the most part.

And lastly, BRF can create a few large mushrooms, but it cannot create many large mushrooms.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: zathan]
    #7973514 - 02/03/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No. You're confused :smile:. I'm colonizing and fruiting in the same closet. So I fail to see how light going through glass is any more than the light going through the sides of my FC. In effect, the jars are in the dark. They aren't exposed to sunlight at all. The only light they get is a normal incandescent bulb (which I've HEARD isn't enough/won't work).

And sorry for making broad generalizations but I meant the post more for newbie information than taking shots at anyone's grow.

And if direct spraying isn't really new then how come I still see people warning to spray a light mist over your cakes to reduce aborts? And STILL see people posting about how strains all look different. And I still see people saying that the only way to go is spring water (though most times I will grant they are newer members :smile:). Most of the old hands (tahoe, RR, shroomy1, etc) usually have all the good information that they have tested.

Again you'll have to forgive me if it seems like I'm picking anyone out and saying "YOUR WRONG" which I wasn't trying to do but I'll go ahead and do it...."YOUR WRONG" :laugh:. This is just my own personal experience so all readers take this with a grain of verm.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7973531 - 02/03/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

incandesecnt bulbs work fine its impossible for you to work alongside them in complete darkness cause you wouldnt no what you were doing its nota myth its a fact they need some kind of light to trigger pinning


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: milkman]
    #7973562 - 02/03/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay. I'll go ahead and concede defeat on the light issue. If someone who has done some experiment could chime in I'd much appreciate. Exactly how much light does it take for mushrooms to fruit? Is it really enough for them to get like 10 minutes of room sunlight a day? Also, will incandescent bulbs cause fruiting?


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7973609 - 02/03/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A camera flash is enough light to tell them which direction to grow in.

It doesn't take much, they're incredibly sensitive to it. People use the more expensive lighting rigs to give a more even pinset and that's about it. Some claim that the blue spectrum light (6500K temp if I remember right) makes them grow bigger or stuff like that, but it probably has more to do with the mycelium recognizing the spectrum of light prevalent at dusk, when wild shrooms start most of their growing.

Basically, if you can see the cakes, it's enough light to make them pin.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: Skeeblix]
    #7973635 - 02/03/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what do you mean that you can directly mist them??? Are you sure about this? If this is true and good for them than how come no body does this??? I mean seriously. Nobody here gets their cakes wet. The masses have to be right.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
    #7973666 - 02/03/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Alright. Thanks Skeeblix and yeah yeah tahoe, I'll go ahead and admit that I was less worried about my spraying with your posts on direct spraying. No go back to your semi-naked significant other. :P


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7973708 - 02/03/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good work  :thumbup:


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: Theoneandonly]
    #7973737 - 02/03/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:wink:


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
    #7973810 - 02/03/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Inoculated on Dec 9??? You should have harvested dozens of mushrooms by now, yet you point to one, the FIRST mushroom as proof that mushrooms don't need much light. Get a grip brother. What I and other experienced growers have said for years is that if you're happy with a shitty harvest, then ambient room light is plenty. However, if you want a knock your socks off, edge to edge harvest with lots of mushrooms, use proper lighting, all other factors being equal.

Thanks for re-affirming for yourself and all the rest of the noobs out there what we've been saying all along.
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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7973861 - 02/03/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i was wondering about that also, 1 mushroom off of one cake. Shitty


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: tahoe]
    #7973933 - 02/03/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so RR. whats good lighting for them? I was planning on just turning my closet light on (which is where they are). Is that going to be alright? I mean I'm sure it will work, but is there some lighting I can use that would be better? How much light/dark is best?


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: ismokeweed]
    #7974134 - 02/03/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Theres no dispute that you can grow mushrooms with very little light or frequent air exchanges. However what has been shown is that good strong light in the right colour temperature with good FAE and humidity will promote the best results you can get.

Also note that there has been discussion on how cakes like being wet, which i believe they do but there is evidence that standing droplets can cause aborts.

Your experiment is all well and fine but unless you carry this out with multiple grows using a strain that has been grown out on agar and seperated to 1 strain then tested to be a good fruiting strain and compared to multiple grows in optimal conditions. Then your results dont prove anything.

I grow in similar situation as you, the only reason i dont go all out and provide the best i can is i dont need to grow that many shrooms.

there are many topics discussing lighting, fluerescent in the daylight range (5000k to 7000k) a good choice for small grows is a CFL


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7974707 - 02/03/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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No. You're confused :smile:. I'm colonizing and fruiting in the same closet. So I fail to see how light going through glass is any more than the light going through the sides of my FC. In effect, the jars are in the dark. They aren't exposed to sunlight at all. The only light they get is a normal incandescent bulb (which I've HEARD isn't enough/won't work).

And sorry for making broad generalizations but I meant the post more for newbie information than taking shots at anyone's grow.

And if direct spraying isn't really new then how come I still see people warning to spray a light mist over your cakes to reduce aborts? And STILL see people posting about how strains all look different. And I still see people saying that the only way to go is spring water (though most times I will grant they are newer members :smile:). Most of the old hands (tahoe, RR, shroomy1, etc) usually have all the good information that they have tested.

Again you'll have to forgive me if it seems like I'm picking anyone out and saying "YOUR WRONG" which I wasn't trying to do but I'll go ahead and do it...."YOUR WRONG" :laugh:. This is just my own personal experience so all readers take this with a grain of verm.





          YOU'VE CONFUSED YOURSELF . who ever said an incandescent bulb won't work.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: brainsOplenty]
    #7974720 - 02/03/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

light is light be it sunlight , incandescent, or flourescent. LIGHT TRIGGERS PINNING! look around and you will find this to be true.


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Re: Dispell All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: brainsOplenty]
    #7975139 - 02/03/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not quite. Light at the higher end of the spectrum is far superior to light at the low end of the spectrum. Incandescent light bulbs with a color temperature of 3,000 kelvin are considered 'red', and natural daylight fluorescent with a color temperature of 6,500 kelvin are considered 'blue' which is superior. Search the above terms for much more.
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Re: Dispel All Myths: Noob Reading Required [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7975178 - 02/03/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have grown mushrooms in the most horrendous conditions against every "suggestion" here. That is what they are- "suggestions". It's easy to fail miserably, or succeed poorly. To see your actions and strategys come to life in a manner you want to scream it our loud with excitement.


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