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Re: Freedom of religion; The use of drugs for spiritual purposes. [Re: OneWhoHasSeen]
    #7981352 - 02/05/08 02:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Heavily addicting and harmful drugs like heroin, cocain, PCP, nicotine, and alcohol (for examples) need to still be illegal or restricted and our people taught about the dangers of entering into such drugs. I agree that hospitals should be no-arrest zones for people who want to shoot up, etc. with clean needles and medical help nearby. This helps reduce the addicts possibility to hurt themselves and others.




Personally I think that all drugs should be legal.
Yes, they are more addicting and can do more "harm", but this is no reason to keep them illegal. People need to take this decision for themselves, not ave a nanny telling them what is good to do or not. People will never learn to be responsible for their actions, they will never learn or grow as long as our world will function on prohibitions.
Yes, I think that some people will overuse these drugs and end up addicted, ill or dead. But that's just life, people need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. In time, some people will learn to be responsible about their drug use (no matter the substance) while other will keep making mistakes. Just like some people learn how to interact with those around them in a healthy and fruitful manner, make strong and meaningful connections with them, while others will NOT learn all that all their life and all their human interactions will become a train wreck of negative emotions. BUT people must be free to make this choice on their own. :shrug:


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Re: Freedom of religion; The use of drugs for spiritual purposes. [Re: appleorange]
    #7981371 - 02/05/08 02:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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appleorange said:
If psychedelic drugs were to be made legal, some very serious conditions would need to be set in place.

Can you imagine something like lsd being over the counter? The world would fall apart.




Maybe maybe not.
We have insufficient data in order to reach any kind of conclusion, but even if there's a possibility for this to happen, it is still not sufficient reason to make it illegal.
What about those who are indeed responsible enough to know how to safely use them? Should they pay for someone else's stupidity?
Those who are unable to be responsible about their drug use will also not be responsible with any other aspect of their lives, so chances are that they will end up not so good anyways. Should they be interdicted to... live, just because these are high chances for them to screw up?


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Re: Freedom of religion; The use of drugs for spiritual purposes. [Re: Droz]
    #7981409 - 02/05/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Droz said:
I believe that we should have the right to use any substance we want.




We do have the right, as we are sovereign individuals, and most of us practice that right. Of course, there are institutions that would infringe upon your rights by imposing consequences for doing so. They don't have the right, they do it anyways, but its not a question of whether or not we should have the right - we already do. :smile:

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Is there anyway we can bypass the laws and write some sort of document that says we can use drugs for spiritual purposes, that would leave the feds to not involve themselves in our spiritual drug use?




We shouldn't have to, but unless we are to face undue consequences imposed upon us by others for doing so, this might be an option, as there have already been ways made through which these institutions will not impose these undue consequences upon someone for practicing these freedoms, through their acknowledgement of the freedom of religion.

We get our rights as individuals, and not through any collective identities, but one step along the way to having our rights recognized might be through the freedom of religion. We need a multi-pronged approach. Securing the ability to freely practice these rights without the intervention of the government through their recognition of our religious right to do so (we have more than one right to use drugs :smile:) would be progress. As more people had positive experiences with drugs in a suitable, responsible setting, public perspective of drug use would shift, as we would have evidence that drug usage, in itself, is not inherently detrimental to human beings, in a recognized context (freedom of religion). Couple this with the recognize format of psychological therapy applications, another avenue through which public perspective can be improved, as well as generating real evidence.

Finally, as public perspective continues to shift, as older generations die off, leaving behind their misconceptions, change on the legislative front (which is already beginning to occur) will open the door to the ultimate success - the recognition that we are sovereign individuals with the right do with ourselves what we want. We have these rights all along, but it takes progress to have this universally recognized, and there are avenues to expedite change. :mushroom2:

I believe the United States government recognizes the rights of the Native American church to use peyote, as well as some other organization's right to use ayahusca. Start searching there. :smile:


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Re: Freedom of religion; The use of drugs for spiritual purposes. [Re: fivepointer]
    #7981414 - 02/05/08 03:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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fivepointer said:
I would ideally like to see a libertarian society.  The law of equal liberty being the only law that would exist.  Every person is free to obtain property by voluntary exchange without limit.  The only activities limited are activities where a person forcefully deprives another person of life or property.  So theft, fraud, murder would be a violation of the law of equal liberty and prohibited.  Possession and use of drugs would not be a violation of the law of equal liberty and would be permitted.  In a voluntary society conditions may be demanded for association, such as drug tests for employment.  This is not a violation of equal liberty and would probably be widely used.

Equal liberty applied to the State itself would prohibit all taxation, even the State's claim on a monopoly of physical force in a geographical area would have no basis.

People are not made moral by laws against vice.  Only the power of a renewed soul can give a new nature.  Political laws will never accomplish this.




This is the greatest post I have seen you make, if you don't mind me saying so. :thumbup:

The free market would likely eliminate drug tests for employment as drug usage became to be consensually perceived as more responsible. What would really secure this is individuals demonstrating that their drug usage doesn't diminsh their ability to be productive in work. In fact, in personal, first-hand experience, it can often enhance productivity. A drug test is a limited tool to obtain information regarding worker productivity, the simple fact that someone has used drugs recently doesn't produce any real understanding regarding whether or not they would be productive, so it will get dropped by the wayside as reality progresses and evolves. :tripping:


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