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Other medicinal cacti
    #7972402 - 02/03/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm looking for some other cacti, besides the commonly grown Peyote and Pedro... are there any other psychoactive cacti, or medicinal cacti I could grow?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7972408 - 02/03/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hoodia gordonii possibly? Maybe dragonfruit.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Mankey]
    #7972660 - 02/03/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ariocarpus sp.

obregonia denegrii

other trichocereus species...


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: casgoodie]
    #7972839 - 02/03/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

YES!!!!

Good Thread!!!


Teotzlcoatl's List of Psychoactive Cacti-


Comprehensive list of Peyotes- (Suspected)

Ariocarpus agavoides
A. fissuratus
A. kotschoubeyanus
A. retusus
Armatocereus laetus
Astrophytum asterias
A. capricorne
A. myriostigma
Aztekium ritterii
Coryphantha compacta
C. elephantidens
C. macromeris
C. palmerii
C. rosea
Dolichothele longimamma
Epithalantha micromeris
Gymnocalycium spp.
Leuchtenbergia principis
Lophophora williamsii
Lophophora diffusa
Mammillaria spp.
Mammillaria craigii
M. grahamii
M. heydeii
Mamillopsis senilis
Obregonia denegrii
Pelecyphora aselliformis
P. pseudopectinata
Solisia pectinata
Strombocactus disciformis
Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele
T. pseudopectinatus


Comprehensive list of Psychoactive Cacti- (Suspected)

Carnegiea gigantea
Echinocactus spp.
Echinocactus grandis
E. grusonii
E. visnaga
Echinocereus salm-dyckianus
E. triglochidiatus
Epiphyllum spp.
Matucana madisoniorum
Neoraimondia macrostibas
Opuntia cylindrica
O. leptocaulis
Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum
P. pringlei
Selenicereus grandiflorus
Trichocereus species



M. S. Smith's List-

Supported Tarahumara revered cacti (hikuri):

Ariocarpus fissuratus
Coryphantha compacta (C. palmeri)
Echinocereus salm-dyckianus (E. scheeri?)
Echinocereus polyacanthus (replacing E. triglochidiatus which appears to be out of Tarahumara range – E. polyacanthus grows throughout Tarahumara territory and was once called E. triglochidiatus - currently recognized T. triglochidiatus is known from Colorado through New Mexico and into the more northerly sections of Mexico)
Epithalantha micromeris
Hikuri cimarron (Astrophytum myriostigma?)
Lophophora williamsii
Mammillaria sonorensis (M. craigii)
Mammillaria grahamii
Mammillaria heyderi (M. heyderi v. gummifera, M. gummifera)
Mammillaria (Mamillopsis) senilis (feared)
Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum
Pachycereus pringlei (revered by Seri indians - by Tarahumara?)

Supported Huichol revered cacti (hikuri):

Ariocarpus retusus (the only true “false peyote” and feared)
Echinocactus platyacanthus (E. visnaga)
Lophophora williamsii

Plants that are rumored to be considered “peyote” or "false peyote" but which lack support as having any traditional used among aboriginal tribes:

Ariocarpus agavoides
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus
Ariocarpus retusus ssp. Trigonus
Ariocarpus scapharostrus
Astrophytum asterias
Astrophytum capricorne
Aztekium ritterii
Coryphantha macromeris
Coryphantha macromeris ssp. runyonii
Lophophora diffusa
Mammillaria longimamma (Dolichothele longimamma)
Mammillaria pectinifera (Solista pectinata)
Obregonia denegrii
Pelecyphora aselliformis
Strombocactus disciformis
Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele
Turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus (Pelecyphora pseudopectinata)



I want to grow them all!!! I also want to find out if they are truly psychoactive...or if it's just a myth.


That would be a hell of a mythbusters- "In this weeks episode Adam and Jamine consume large amounts of Mammillaria and Ariocarpus cacti!"


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7973182 - 02/03/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

there ya go.
  your a brave mofo
  please post reports :thumbup:


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: cpw1971]
    #7973777 - 02/03/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If anyone would be willing to take up the quest of finding out if these suspected psychoactive cacti really have entheogenic effects it would be much appreciated.

I need help with this...

I can't do it alone!


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7973980 - 02/03/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

best not to start a new habit of eating 15 year old plants


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: casgoodie]
    #7974238 - 02/03/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's worth sacrificing a few to solve this mystery.


I plan on growing many, many more from seed to replace it.


I'd to grow the most promising species-

"Peyotes"

Ariocarpus agavoides
Ariocarpus fissuratus
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus
Astrophytum asterias
Aztekium ritterii
Coryphantha compacta
Coryphantha macromeris
Epithalantha micromeris
Lophophora williamsii
Mammillaria sonorensis (M. craigii)
Mammillaria grahamii
Mammillaria (Mamillopsis) senilis
Mammillaria longimamma (Dolichothele longimamma)
Mammillaria pectinifera (Solista pectinata)
Obregonia denegrii
Pelecyphora aselliformis
Strombocactus disciformis
Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele
Turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus (Pelecyphora pseudopectinata)


Psychoactive or Medicinal Cacti-

Carnegiea gigantea
Echinocereus salm-dyckianus
Echinocereus polyacanthus
Echinocactus platyacanthus
Matucana madisoniorum
Neoraimondia macrostibas
Pachycereus pecten-aboriginum
Pachycereus pringlei
Trichocereus species


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7974253 - 02/03/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i was just kidding, i am planning on trying some myself. probably start with a retusus var. trigonus


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: casgoodie]
    #7974750 - 02/03/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ariocarpus retusus var. trigonus?

Bad idea...if you ask me...


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975047 - 02/03/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

here we go againg will you eat all i sent to you


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: cactu]
    #7975121 - 02/03/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

All you sent me?

What do you mean?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975171 - 02/03/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

FarFromHere said:
Ariocarpus retusus var. trigonus?

Bad idea...if you ask me...




bad idea because of undesired effects?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: casgoodie]
    #7975195 - 02/03/08 08:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, that's not a good one to start with...

Try a Coryphantha or Mammillaria cactus...


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975234 - 02/03/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ok, so other than Trichocereus sp. and Lophophora sp. what order of other suspected active cacti would you list to start with? I'm sure the OP would appreciate it too.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975301 - 02/03/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to mention pachycereus weberi syn.stenocereus weberi,from information I have found at various sites around the net this cactus appears to contain many alkaloids and believe it is also active ,I'm still looking to find a list of total alkaloids from this cacti but do know that sab has some of them listed and there are a few of the anhalonium type alkaloids which are also found in l. williamsii.
I know this cactus contains many many alkaloids not as many as williamsii but believe this cactus contains more than most other cacti if not all, other than williamsii.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: hul gil]
    #7975396 - 02/03/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hul Gil, look into it and get back to us...


Good Canadaties for Psychoactive Cacti-

Ariocarpus agavoides; fissuratus; kotschoubeyanus
Coryphantha compacta
Echinocereus salm-dyckianus; polyacanthus
Epithalantha micromeris
Mammillaria sonorensis (M. craigii); grahamii; senilis
Mammillaria longimamma(Dolichothele longimamma)



I'd also look into the following-

Pelecyphora aselliformis
Strombocactus disciformis
Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele
Turbinicarpus pseudopectinatus (Pelecyphora pseudopectinata)


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7976672 - 02/04/08 06:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

That would be a hell of a mythbusters- "In this weeks episode Adam and Jamine consume large amounts of Mammillaria and Ariocarpus cacti!"




I can tell you from personal experience Aricarpus has medicinal properties..

A few months ago i received some dried ariocarpus. After a long day of walking around, doing stuff (as you do), I came home and decided to test this stuff out;

So I put a little ariocarpus triangle in my pipe and smoked it. Within a minute my exhaustion had disappeared, my headache had disappeared, i was slightly stimulated, yet not overly so, just enough to feel, well awake agian, and also my whole body was relaxed, including my guts...
So I could definitely call it an anti anxiety agent as well...


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Merkin]
    #7976760 - 02/04/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Merkin, What species Ariocarpus was it? Have you had any other experiences with the substance since then?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Knoa6]
    #7977584 - 02/04/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting...

The S.S. catalog says the Mexicans smoke them.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7977591 - 02/04/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

SS also calls a cactus Serra blue to make money as a marketing gimmick ....


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: royer]
    #7977627 - 02/04/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Whats wrong with calling a blue cactus from Serra, "Serra Blue"?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Knoa6]
    #7981332 - 02/05/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Knoa6 said:
Merkin, What species Ariocarpus was it? Have you had any other experiences with the substance since then?




it was the Ariocarpus Retusus.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Merkin]
    #7991265 - 02/07/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try to type up the thing from the S.S. catalog.


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7992358 - 02/07/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

huh?


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Re: Other medicinal cacti [Re: Merkin]
    #7992608 - 02/07/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Here the bit from the catalog-

Quote:

"The peculiar habitat of smoking the dried tubercles tips has become popular among some locals in Mexico"





How would you describe the effects?


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