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Is this particular WBS acceptable?
    #7971853 - 02/03/08 06:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7971870 - 02/03/08 06:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i wouldn't use it because it has cracked corn in it. Kroger's has a pretty good deal with WBS in 20 lb bags for $4.99 with just millet, milo and some sunflower seed in it. They also have it in 40 lb bags for $10.99...go figure...I just buy the 20lb bags.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: sandman420]
    #7971875 - 02/03/08 06:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, thanks for the advice on the lowes stuff. I'm looking around as we speak for it. I'd love to find the pennington stuff since it has already been used and then I could just simply follow the tek.

So idealy, any WBS with millet, milo and with the exception of SF seeds may be used?


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7971912 - 02/03/08 07:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Okay, thanks for the advice on the lowes stuff. I'm looking around as we speak for it. I'd love to find the pennington stuff since it has already been used and then I could just simply follow the tek.

So idealy, any WBS with millet, milo and with the exception of SF seeds may be used?




Yep but that stuff you showed is fine. the sunflower seeds will float to the top conveniently while you are soaking the WBS.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7971923 - 02/03/08 07:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its says it's enriched with "Bird Kote" I don't know if that makes it unusable however.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: playwithguns]
    #7971933 - 02/03/08 07:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Its says it's enriched with "Bird Kote" I don't know if that makes it unusable however.




Bird Kote has worked fine for me; Bird Kote is simply vegetable oil, calcium, and Vitamins A&D. In very small amounts. Im sure it would be somewhat removed during soaking and/or simmering.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7972024 - 02/03/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

when you prepare wbs, after hydrating it by simmering or soaking (whichever you prefer), you are supposed to rinse it VERY well, then let it drain VERY VERY well.... when you rinse it, the bird kote should come off...


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #7972035 - 02/03/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

check the farm supply stores or co-op's. you can usually pick up a 50 LB. bag for around 10 bucks


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: brainsOplenty]
    #7972097 - 02/03/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I picked up some WBS from peningto at the WMart. Taking the steps now to prepare for use. I clearly now see what needs to be removed, all the actual seed sits at the bottom. I'll follow all instructions as listed on here and site.

Can I use the innc'd wbs to innoc other jars as in the rye seed method?

And does 100% of the sunflower seeds need tobe reoved, or just as much as posible?


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7972115 - 02/03/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just as much as possible.

It would be very hard to do a WBS to WBS transfer unless you have a glovebox, otherwise you greatly increase the chances for contamination.

Ive considered doing this several times, but find it just as easy and successful to spawn it or just case it. perhaps spawning to hpoo would be the best option depending on how much you planned on inoculating.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7972125 - 02/03/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I plan to case with verm.

noc'd with pc: equador


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7972126 - 02/03/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

walmart is such a horrible company... they are hella dirty... search youtube for "The high cost of low prices" and you will see...

anyway... you can get pure millet from alot of feed stores... if you live anywhere near farms, they should be slightly abundant.. I bought a 50 lbs bag there of straight millet for 10 bucks...


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #7972134 - 02/03/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

and you can always spawn to coir... it cheap, readily available, grows hella fast.. its wonderful...

you wouldnt need a glovebox for g2g with bird seed... just be clean and lysol the shit out of the air, with no fans on.. then add it in a 1:2 spawn to birdseed ratio, and you will be cool.. it will grow fast enough where you should have full colonization before any enemy spores can germinate... if you are clean, then you will be kosher... a glove box helps, but is not always needed... I have survived a long time without one...


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7972143 - 02/03/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I plan to case with verm.

noc'd with pc: equador




vermiculite casings are terrible. if you are using WBS as a substrate dont waste your effort by using vermiculite to case it.

try 50/50 if you want another cheap option.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #7972146 - 02/03/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have a basic GB, similar to the one in RR's video.

I a pretty much follwing "doc's wbs method"

with the exception of the overnight soak.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7972149 - 02/03/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have a basic GB, similar to the one in RR's video.

I a pretty much follwing "doc's wbs method"

with the exception of the overnight soak.




you arent soaking the WBS? you are sure to fail then. Soaking is what hatches the endospores as well as allows the WBS to absorb enough water for colonization.

unless you plan on simmering.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7972152 - 02/03/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

all I can say is HA... I have used 100% verm casings forever.. and they work great.. you just have to know how to prep them.. I bet you have never used a straight verm casing... you are just quoting stuff you heard...

soak the vermiculite in water... strain well.. case.... lightly mist, if needed.. and wait for the magic... in the martha, I dont have to mist.. but in my tubs I did... its the most non nutritional casing you can use... which is what you want... HA... lol


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #7972156 - 02/03/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

and if you DO decide to go with 5050.. do the 5050+... 5050 is not bad AT ALL.. its great, but you cant underestimate other casings...


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #7972166 - 02/03/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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and if you DO decide to go with 5050.. do the 5050+... 5050 is not bad AT ALL.. its great, but you cant underestimate other casings...




Well after trying both methods, I personally prefer 50/50 over 100% vermiculite. Guess the OP can try both methods and see which produce the best results for him.

I have yet to try 50/50 + , obtaining dehydrated lime and crushed oyster shells is much more of a pain in the ass for me, although Im sure ill give it a try once I get back into growing again.


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Re: Is this particular WBS acceptable? [Re: shevanel]
    #7972167 - 02/03/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What would you reccomend casing the wbs with?

I'm guessing coco coir.


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