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sturmer88
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Cold fruiting Temp problem...
#7971790 - 02/03/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am working on my first grow using BRF cakes. I have 3 cakes in the fruiting chamber (Aquarium + Pearlite). 2 OXA and 1 PESA. One of the OXA cakes I initiated pinning at regular room temp without dunking. After a little less than a week I placed it into the chamber and now about a week later I have only about 4 shrooms growing out of the cake. i beleive the low temp is slowing the process severely. The temps are arounf 55-60 Degrees daytime and 45-50 Degrees at night. The second OXA cake I also waited for pinning at room temp but placed it in the chamber after only 1 day of pinning within the jar. It's been about 3 days without any signs of fruit. The 3rd PESA cake I took out of the jair directly after full colonization and put in water and into the fridge. It's only been 2 days and no fruit. I still have a 4th PESA BRF cake still in my incubator. Does anyone have any ideas on why the fruiting is so slow and if the temps remain the same weather they will get any better? I had an idea of moving the Aqarium into a small room or bathroom and turning on a portable heater set at 75 Deggrees. What do you think? Any suggestion would be appreciated. I can't wait till spring. Feb is the coldest time of year out here. At least it dosn't snow here.
P.S Would a heat bomb type setup work for a fruiting chamber in anyway? I'm not sure how that might work but It's an idea.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7971856 - 02/03/08 06:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm no pro, but I'd suggest getting temps for that FC to around 75F if possible. The temps youre reporting seem a bit low for optimal conditions.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7971927 - 02/03/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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how are your conditions soo cold. normal room temperature is fine for fruiting cubensis mushrooms. do you have to hide them in the garage from your parents or something?
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sturmer88
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7974232 - 02/03/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Normally the temps would be fine. I'd say in another month it will be better but during winter time it's pretty cold. When I say 45-50 Degrees i mean outside. So the coldest inside is usually 55-56 Degreres. I realize to people in the midwest and places were it snows that sounds paradise like. I checked the cakes just now and they seem to be ok there just growing really slow. Only one has the 4 shrooms while another has little pins starting. I took the 4th cake out of the TIT incubator Just now and I'm trying to decide how to go about this final PESA cake. I'm not sure weather to Dunk and roll or wait for pins to initiate with just light. Also When dunking do I need to wait for Pins to initiate first and then dunk? Or should I dunk directly out of the Incubator? With the last cake I took it directly out of the incubator and into the fridge immersed in water. This time I'm gonna try to dunk at room temp to see which way is best but I've read that PESA does well in cold temps and by cold shocking. Any Ideas. If I do wait for pins can I still dunk for 24/ hours? Sorry for all the questions this is my first time and I wanna figure the best way. After i master the BRF method. I'm gonna try casing out.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7974249 - 02/03/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah im too drunk for all those lines, but are u growing inside or outside?
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sturmer88
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7974310 - 02/03/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a EZ Grow spawn bag also. The grain was fully colonized with Cambo spores. I already mixed the compost and rye berry's together but the cold temps have been slowing things. I just moved the whole spawn bag into the TIT incubator after i took the 4th PESA cake out. I plan to keep it in the TIT for 12 hours and take it out for 12 hours to quicken fruiting. It already seems to be doing some good. The white myc is mixing with the Compost. Hopefully theres no Contam since it's bee a couple weeks.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7974316 - 02/03/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm growing inside. I got the Aquarium right in my Living room.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7974329 - 02/03/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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sturmer88 said: I'm growing inside. I got the Aquarium right in my Living room.
then how the fuck is it so cold in your living room?
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7974350 - 02/03/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
KillerPicklez said:
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sturmer88 said: I'm growing inside. I got the Aquarium right in my Living room.
then how the fuck is it so cold in your living room?
Haha, really. My house can get quite cold however. I use a back bedroom as my growing room. The house is pretty dated, so no central heating and air. I use a space heater to keep temps around 75 degrees.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: Frost000]
#7974409 - 02/03/08 06:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Room temp is fine for the entire cycle, there is no need to augment with any additional heat, IMHO.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: Day Tripper]
#7974441 - 02/03/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Temperature will only slow down the process, shouldn effect pinning. as far as i know.
What will effect pinning is
Fresh Air exchange Humidity Light
Also multispore growth will have an impact aswell
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: veda_sticks]
#7974487 - 02/03/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont think that's true. I think that if it is too cold, the cakes wouldnt fruit at all.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7974511 - 02/03/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is probably a point where they wont fruit, but i know people have fruited in temps as low as 60F
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: veda_sticks]
#7975225 - 02/03/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure your correct the colder it gets the more likely it is not to fruit. Luckily with my temps I beleive i'm just the the bottom fruiting temps cause so far the 2 OXC cakes have been in there the longest and 1 is showing 4 small mushrooms after 4-5 days and the 2nd after 2-3 days is just starting to fruit, I count 1 small shroom. The 3rd PESA I just put in. It's the 4th I'm wondering about. Should I dunk it immediatly? Or wait for it to initiate pins and then dunk. It's PESA.
Thanks for all the input guys.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7975254 - 02/03/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wish I would of used larger than 1'2 pint jars. Maybe thats another reason I'm getting such a small amount of shrooms. Since this was my first time I just wanted to test it out. I checked my spore supply and luckilly I have lots of Spore Solution left. I'm gonna go for Pint jars or quart jars next. By the time they are fully colonized I'm sure the Temps will be higher. Probably early march if I start next week.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7975260 - 02/03/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe use a double tube, and fan often. That will raise your temps but you will have to manually fan http://www.shroomery.org/8407/Aliens-Incubator
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: lovingtickels]
#7976198 - 02/04/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks. I just took the 4th PESA cake out of the jar and put it under water in a bigger Jar. I'm leaving it at room temp. Tommorow I'm gonna try moving the Fruiting chamber into a smaller room, maybe my bathroom. Then use the space heater to keep at 74 Degrees. I'll post pics tommorow of what fruits are growing so far. They look so small so far. All the pics i've seen of other cakes show them much bigger.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7976592 - 02/04/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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sturmer88 said: I wish I would of used larger than 1'2 pint jars. Maybe thats another reason I'm getting such a small amount of shrooms. Since this was my first time I just wanted to test it out. I checked my spore supply and luckilly I have lots of Spore Solution left. I'm gonna go for Pint jars or quart jars next. By the time they are fully colonized I'm sure the Temps will be higher. Probably early march if I start next week.
1/2 pints are recomended for there colinisation speed, pints are likely to take ages to colinise and stall. You want your substrate to colinise quickly.
Pints wont nessesarily give you more shrooms, since your growing from multispore your results will vary from grow to grow and even flush to flush.
-------------------- PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666 Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: veda_sticks]
#7978286 - 02/04/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tip. I tried moving the Fruiting chamber into the bathroom with a space heater set at 72 Degrees. It's now at a contstant between 72-74 Degrees it seem to be working ok. It's about 55 degrees in the rest of the house when I walk out of the bathroom it's a real shock. I checked the 2nd OXA cake and already lots of little pins are forming. I don't know if I missed them yesterday or if the warmth helped that quick. But I'm happy. The 3rd cold shocked PESA isn't showing pins yet and I Dunked the 4th PESA cake last night. I'm leaving it at room temp. I'll put it in the fruiting chamber tonight.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7978295 - 02/04/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't need to cold shock cubes, or so I hear.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: sturmer88]
#7978332 - 02/04/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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sturmer88 said: Thanks for the tip. I tried moving the Fruiting chamber into the bathroom with a space heater set at 72 Degrees. It's now at a contstant between 72-74 Degrees it seem to be working ok. It's about 55 degrees in the rest of the house when I walk out of the bathroom it's a real shock. I checked the 2nd OXA cake and already lots of little pins are forming. I don't know if I missed them yesterday or if the warmth helped that quick. But I'm happy. The 3rd cold shocked PESA isn't showing pins yet and I Dunked the 4th PESA cake last night. I'm leaving it at room temp. I'll put it in the fruiting chamber tonight.
Why the fuck is your house soo cold? Who lives at 55 degrees F.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: Day Tripper]
#7979540 - 02/04/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I heard that also. So I'm dunking my last PESA cake at room temp.
I think I saw Contam on the 2nd OXC cake. I'm not sure it might just be from handling it when I rolled in vermiculte. It's only in a few spots and it didn't start showing until I put in at higher temps. I took it out of the fruiting chamber and created a mini fruiting chamber out of a 2 Liter bottle and paper towels. I have it in there for now so I can see how things go.
I'm just about to take my 4th and final PESA out of the Dunk tank.
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Re: Cold fruiting Temp problem... [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7979571 - 02/04/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said:
Why the fuck is your house soo cold? Who lives at 55 degrees F.
Centeral Heating out hear costs a bundle and I already am paying a ton for the energy bill due to my HID grow lights I use. So the best I use is a space heater.
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