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    #7969415 - 02/02/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"Hi my name is Gweneth and my boyfriend is atheist. He didn't believe in God, but since im a very religious person, when we started going out he has been questioning a lot about his faith. After many late night talks and long debates about the Catholic Religion, he has finally came to a conclusion to have a "quest for God" When I asked him what he meant he told me that he wanted to take magic mushrooms along with his friend to see if it will help him find something to believe in. Is it unhealthy to take this drug when a person is under that influence? please help me. I don't want to see him get hurt in anyway. I feel that if you want to find something to believe in, find it in prayer.. not in a "magic mushroom"...."

http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/religion.html

"HOPKINS SCIENTISTS SHOW HALLUCINOGEN IN MUSHROOMS CREATES UNIVERSAL “MYSTICAL” EXPERIENCE
Rigorous study hailed as landmark

Using unusually rigorous scientific conditions and measures, Johns Hopkins researchers have shown that the active agent in “sacred mushrooms” can induce mystical/spiritual experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for centuries.

The resulting experiences apparently prompt positive changes in behavior and attitude that last several months, at least.

The agent, a plant alkaloid called psilocybin, mimics the effect of serotonin on brain receptors..."

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html

"Q 9: Studies at Hopkins have shown the potential for brain damage from MDMA ( "ecstasy"). How do you know psilocybin doesn’t have the same risk?

Some studies have shown that MDMA can damage certain nerve cells. There is no experimental or clinical evidence in animals or humans that psilocybin, even in very high doses, is similarly neurotoxic. Enough research has been done with psilocybin, starting in the 1950s, that we can be reasonably confident that it is not physically toxic in doses humans ordinarily use. This is consistent with the fact that psilocybin-containing mushrooms have not, in millennia of use, acquired a reputation of being physically harmful. Traditions that use psilocybin mushrooms do, however, caution about psychological and spiritual risks of using them haphazardly."

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2006/GriffithspsilocybinQ

How much concern do you trippers out there give the 'psychological and spiritual risks' mentioned??
What use might you consider haphazard??
Mushrooms and God?? Or no??
God or just brain function??
Spirituality or mental health??
Mushrooms or no mushrooms??
Blue mushrooms??
Red mushrooms??

Might an atheist experience what's called God??


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969484 - 02/02/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, you.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969489 - 02/02/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Psilocybin mushrooms are actually less toxic than asprin pills.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969490 - 02/02/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you've posted 1300 times on a mushroom message board and you don't want your boyfriend doing them?

huh?


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: appleorange]
    #7969514 - 02/02/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry that article was from a website.

I'll be Gwenith though if you want.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: appleorange]
    #7969516 - 02/02/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

backfromthedead.

many atheists do in fact experience god on mushrooms, or what is commonly referred to as the "godhead". the god they experience is the "one" which is them and everything at once.

in my opinion, we are all actually god at this very moment but are under the illusion that somehow we exist independently of everything else, when everything in the universe is actually a solidified one. just like how trees have branches, we have come to mistake the branch as existing seperately from the tree.

on mushrooms, many people realize that the branch, leaves, and fruit all are the tree along with the stars, planets, and all of eternity.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: appleorange]
    #7969521 - 02/02/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I'm quite confused... What's your angle...:shrug:
... Wait, sorry. Stupid ass computer wasn't showing last two posts.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: appleorange]
    #7969554 - 02/02/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its like we are drowning in something.





Any thoughts on 'spiritual and psychological risks'??
Red pill blue pill??
Becoming the ONE??


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969724 - 02/02/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Blue mushrooms??
Red mushrooms??

Might an atheist experience what's called God??





Yes.

Blue mushrooms.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7969735 - 02/02/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you have to be open to the experience. If you try to direct it or pretend it is just you, then you will not see God.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7969766 - 02/02/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Someone made a post once that made me laugh. The thread topic was "How did you discover you were god?" Or something along those lines, and people talked about when they tripped and experianced the feeling or realization of god and themselves.

A poster made a remark saying "When i was praying and realized I was talking to myself". I never forgot that, and its funny cause its true. In reality whether god is showing himself or not humans have everything they need to survive on this earth. They just are looking in the wrong places, or want a easy answer to why we are so fucking weird and pointless beings.

Who knows?


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7969891 - 02/02/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Any thoughts on 'spiritual and psychological risks'??
Red pill blue pill??
Becoming the ONE??




As of late, I've really been drifiting away from psychedelics. I think they are great tools for insight and so forth, but they come with a price and can be very dangerous at high doses. I just have a hard time justifying heroic doses of psychedelics when Buddhism offers the same end result in a manner that is safe, effective, and benign.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: appleorange]
    #7972756 - 02/03/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What is the end result??
No hero's journey??


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7972784 - 02/03/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was an atheist at the time of my first mushroom trip.

I'm an agnostic now.

Though I should mention I've flip-flopped a few times in my life independently of psychedelics.

Anyway, as a Roman Catholic, Gwyneth may be disappointed to find that her boyfriend discovers a different God than the one she is familiar with.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7974070 - 02/03/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah it's totally a flow the flow of the flow of how the flow flows. If ya can't let go then you'll never experience that flow. flow

...flow
just flow... flow doesn't even seem like fl-Oh anymore as much as it looks like FL-OW(that hurts) the hell is wrong with english?


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7974077 - 02/03/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tao is a better-sounding word. :laugh:


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Lion]
    #7974114 - 02/03/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

aye it is


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7974135 - 02/03/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was an agnostic before taking psychedelics.
Nowadays some agnostic tendencies do still exist sober, but i feel totally atheist tripping. It is bizarre, but i guess my ego is just strong during trips heh. :smile:


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: flangenips]
    #7974141 - 02/03/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

goto a music festival and trip.


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7974157 - 02/03/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have been to a few on various substances. Most recently the Big Day Out in Auckland, NZ. Lots of great fun. Me dancing like an idiot, occasionally buzzing out with the lights and lasers and pyros, seeing exciting/frightening stuff and people, odd spots of paranoia, but mostly just enjoying the music (even if i can't stand a particular artist when sober).


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Re: Mushrooms?? [Re: flangenips]
    #7977004 - 02/04/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The problem I run into.
I was an atheist.
I believe that I have found an experience with mushrooms that qualifies itself to be THE experience of God and of Christ. I also found Schizophrenia.
This, however, still doesn't mean absolutely that 'He/she' exists in the traditional sense.
It also doesn't mean that I am completely schizophrenic.
The experience reveals a giant mystery, imo.
Now how to map that mystery back onto the traditional beliefs for the sake of Gwyneth??
At this point it is my opinion that atheism is actually more on par than modern Christianity.
It is a problem, imo, if the atheist can now experience Christ or God or whatever due to the lack of programming and the believer cannot.
Especially if mushrooms are the hidden manna.
Maybe that was the plan.
To give it back.


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