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Re: the white man's burden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8014209 - 02/12/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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At least you know you're a kettle.:grin:




:lol: Touché.


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Re: the white man's burden [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8014328 - 02/12/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The ICJ has zero authority. None, zip, nada. I have as much authority as them to declare something illegal.




Well of course they have zero authority, they're an international human rights NGO that works for the EU and UN. The point I mentioned it was to show that those who are aware of international law know very well that the Iraq War was an unlawful use of force. I suppose YOU could declare something illegal but I doubt anyone would listen as you don't have a degree in law...

Interesting that you didn't mention Richard Perle's admission of the war's illegality. I'd figure he'd be more on your wavelength.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/nov/20/usa.iraq1

Quoted: "International law... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone"


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Re: the white man's burden [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8014458 - 02/12/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree with Mr Perle's conclusions. I'm also not clear that there is even a body in existence to determine the validity of either his, mine, or any other person's views. At any rate, I don't see anybody chirping up and prosecuting any of the, what, around 50, nations that were with us. I thus conclude that it was, for all intents and purposes, quite legal.

Also, don't gloss over the fact that Perle was bemoaning what he perceived the effort's legal status to be.


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Re: the white man's burden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8014524 - 02/12/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, don't gloss over the fact that Perle was bemoaning what he perceived the effort's legal status to be.




Of course he bemoaned the illegality of invading since he really wanted to go in there and kick some Iraqi ass. But that's not really the issue at hand. We're talking about whether it did or did not violate international law. Even though I may disagree with his desire to invade Iraq, I at least give him credit for calling a spade a spade...


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Re: the white man's burden [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #8014574 - 02/12/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And I think he was calling a hoe a shovel. Without enforcement, there is no law.


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Re: the white man's burden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8048262 - 02/20/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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And I think he was calling a hoe a shovel. Without enforcement, there is no law.




It would be good if we could enforce the laws of the constitution upon our own government at home before even trying to enforce our laws on another country (not that that has or ever will work).

Then maybe the world wouldn't view us as hypocritical bullies?


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