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Plok
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For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance...
#7968452 - 02/02/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Even if you think that he has no chance in hell, if you support Ron Paul, GO OUT AND VOTE FOR HIM. How much effort does it take to check a box (or hell, even MAIL in your ballot)?
Even if he doesn't get elected this year, if he gets enough support, he will run again, and again, and hopefully, one day, we'll see him in office. Think ahead 4, 8, or 12 years.
If all the other candidates are as evil and shitty as many Paul supporters think they are, then they will royally fuck up in office like Bush has, and America will be even more fed up with traditional politicians.
Just as important as voting is spreading the word. Look how much steam he has already generated! Look where he started! It is truly phenomenal.
You may call me naive but I would rather be naive with some chance of hope than being cynical and ensuring that he fails.
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zappaisgod
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: Plok]
#7968484 - 02/02/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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He has been exposed as a racist, anti-semitic homophobe who will hopefully be turned out of Congress as soon as they can come up with somebody to run against him. He's going to have a shitload of money for his campaign, though. Too bad.
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g00ru
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7968542 - 02/02/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not to mention that not only will he not be elected this year, he won't be elected any year.
It's an ignorant waste of a vote to vote for Ron Paul, especially when there IS (imo) a preferable alternative in the Obama.
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kriminalelement
"jesus wept."



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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: g00ru]
#7968659 - 02/02/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You shouldn't vote for people on the basis of whether or not they win. Your vote for a candidate you support, regardless of their chances, not only contributes to a mass of growing support for third-party or non-mainstream opinions, it also shows you respect your own opinion enough to vote for what you believe in.
That being said, Ron Paul is a shithead. I don't care if he wants to end the drug war, he also wants to end abortion and start a load of programs I don't agree with, particularly concerning health care.
I certainly won't go to prison for life for possessing a small amount of marijuana, lsd, mushrooms, or ecstasy, but a lifetime of raising an unwanted child would be worse than prison for me. Even carrying one to term would be DISASTROUS to my mental health. So fuck Ron Paul and his pro life bullshit. He clearly believes in more rights, but for men only. People like him support legislation that keeps women "in their place": pregnant and terminally ill.
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Disco Cat
iS A PoiNdexteR

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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: kriminalelement]
#7968682 - 02/02/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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He doesn't want to end abortion. He's personally against it, but he wants to leave that up to individual states to decide.
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Madtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers



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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: Disco Cat]
#7968711 - 02/02/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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IT IS THE SAME THING.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Disco Cat
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7968741 - 02/02/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leaving it up to states to choose their own abortion laws is the same as banning abortion?
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RosettaStoned
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7968780 - 02/02/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Once again zappa shows his inability to reason beyond the 3rd grade level. Paul has not been exposed as anything but the only decent human being running for president. Every other single candidate is entrenched in dirty dealings up to their eyeballs and have only more war and more big govt on their minds. Zappa loves these candidates because he profits from them which is why he speaks down about Ron Paul. I hope no one here lets his desire for continued profit cloud their judgement about a very good man who is the only voice of truth in a sea of lies.
Make no mistake there is not one other person running besides Ron Paul who would give a flying fuck about anything but elite special interest lobbying groups.
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John Nada
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7968795 - 02/02/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, nah, he seems more like just an actual racist. The "online drug culture" in general supports racism though. So don't worry, it's not gonna really hurt your campaigning for him on drug websites.
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RosettaStoned
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: John Nada]
#7968830 - 02/02/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If he's a racist, why then in all his long years of public service does the MSM not have one single soundbite or note written by his hand to suggest anything of the sort?
The number one racist thing in america is the war on drugs which lands more minorities in trouble than any other cause. Ron Paul wants to end this bullshit and you call him racist?
-------------------- "Government big enough to provide you with all you need is also big enough to take everything you have." ~ Thomas Jefferson "Without stupid, faggy potheads we wouldn't have wars." - Zappa
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zappaisgod
horrid asshole


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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7968839 - 02/02/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
RosettaStoned said: Once again zappa shows his inability to reason beyond the 3rd grade level.
And yet, amazingly, third graders like me rule the world. What does that say about YOU?Quote:
Paul has not been exposed as anything but the only decent human being running for president.
Yes, he has, and can't answer except to say he didn't know what was in the newsletters with his name on the masthead. Either way, he is a douche.Quote:
Every other single candidate is entrenched in dirty dealings up to their eyeballs and have only more war and more big govt on their minds. Zappa loves these candidates because he profits from them which is why he speaks down about Ron Paul.
I don't love any of them but I despise Ron Paul for the snake oil Pied Piper of retards that he is. Quote:
I hope no one here lets his desire for continued profit cloud their judgement about a very good man who is the only voice of truth in a sea of lies.
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Make no mistake there is not one other person running besides Ron Paul who would give a flying fuck about anything but elite special interest lobbying groups.
What's so special about my interests? Or yours? Other than your education, or lack thereof?
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Madtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers



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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7968846 - 02/02/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
RosettaStoned said: If he's a racist, why then in all his long years of public service does the MSM not have one single soundbite or note written by his hand to suggest anything of the sort
Read his newsletter lately?
Check the stickied RP thread for details.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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RosettaStoned
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7968858 - 02/02/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The newsletter was not written by his hand nor edited or supervised by him to my knowledge. Am I incorrect on any of those counts?
If you support individual liberty that by very definition makes racist policy an impossibility.
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zappaisgod
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7968872 - 02/02/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Go read the thread. Or not.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969890 - 02/02/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
zappaisgod said: He has been exposed as a racist, anti-semitic homophobe
you have to admire a man with conviction
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johnm214



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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7970104 - 02/02/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this racist shit is stupid
I honestly don't care that much about it. The man won't win (I haven't seen firworks god posting since the primaries started...) and even if he is racist, he's done a good job hiding it except for that newsletter.
Yes his answer was bullshit (he doesn't know what was in the letter, he doesn't know who wrote it, he won't find out, et cet) but so what... (he does have a point when he says, however, that no one has found a clip of him speaking racist things, so give him that)
I'm voting for a man who wants to cut the federal govt down to size.... let the states do whatever socialist shit they want consistant w/ the constitution, and generally stop spending all sorts of cash.
Everyone knows that and the freedom issues are the main draw to ron paul. A vote for him is symbolic in that regard, and I'm amazed how well he's doing.
I really wish people would stop biting the bait when zappa and company call Paul racist... so what?
the point is your sending a message w/ your support, and no one can seriously imply that message is the whole man, whether or not he's racist. A vote for a man who wrote racist shit in the past is no more an endorsment of that (when he's since rejected it) than a vote for bush is a vote for alcoholism or cocaine use (he has since receted it).
I know zappa doesn't really give a shit about the newsletter, I think he just enjoys seeing people controt themselves to defend him on that issue, when his explanation was clearly bullshit. It doesn't matter, stop fucking inventing things to defend it. Racism is bad. Everyone says it. paul says it. And it seems like he is lying when he talks about what he did or didn't know about in the past... move on
and rosetta.... stop making such personal attacks against people. grow the fuck up and discuss the issue. I guarentee zappa isn't losing sleep over you having a hissy fit.
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Madtowntripper
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: johnm214]
#7970174 - 02/02/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have no problem with anyone who says that he has since reformed and is no longer a racist.
As long as they admit, as you have, that he likely was one at some point in the past.
I wouldn't vote for Strom Thurmond, and I won't vote for Ron Paul...
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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HighHat
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7971114 - 02/02/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Even if Ron Paul never wins, when a 3rd party candidate gets enough support, R's and D's start looking at their platform and try to incorporate the 3rd party's "winning aspects" into their own. So if you support ending the drug war and don't like any of the major candidates, vote for Ron Paul.
The person you vote for may never make it to office, but their ideas might.
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Coaster
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: HighHat]
#7971131 - 02/02/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i dont think him getting 3rd place like back in 78 will have any effect on anything and i dont think he is going to run again and i love him but i dont think hes gonna win
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fireworks_god
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Re: For all of you who refuse to vote because Ron Paul has no chance... [Re: kriminalelement]
#7976492 - 02/04/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
kriminalelement said: ....but a lifetime of raising an unwanted child would be worse than prison for me.
Here's a tip: Use contraceptives, use the morning after pill, or don't spread your legs in the first place. I see no reason why people should create life in order to violently murder it, in a world where its very very simple to have sex and not have a child result.
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