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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969069 - 02/02/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm sure you're pretty in touch with the will of the Iraqi people. The request is still open.
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969288 - 02/02/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you no think the cost of this limited "success" is astonishing and completely out or proportion to the threat that Saddam's crumbling state posed to the world?
What is your definition of success? I cannot think of any criteria for success that could be applied to Iraq.
And you call Andrew Bacevich a Cindy Sheehan in drag...real classy. Compare the two because he also lost his son in Iraq....yea that completely makes his article ridiculous to me
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#7969301 - 02/02/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think he calls success TRILLIONS of dollars lost tens of thousands of iraqi civilians dead thousands of american troops dead and hatred towards america at an all time high it was sooo worth it, we are so much better off now duhhhhhhh
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969551 - 02/02/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Al Q is obviously on the run and there is absolutely no reason to let up.
Bollocks. If that were so, Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be the nations the US should have attacked. (I haven't a fucking clue why the UK joined in, it's not as if we were attacked, until 7/7. Then every single Englishman was baying for the blood of all towel-heads, and Tony Bliar was pleased.)
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
The FBI states the hijackers were Egyptian and Saudi, not Afghan and Iraq. Al-Queida did originate in Afghanistan, when the CIA trained Afghani militants to fight the Soviets, but again, Iraq had nothing to do with 911, had no WMD's. And when you want one man, you go for him. You do not bomb an already poor off country that managed to curtail heroin production to bloody bits, ensuring there will be angry terrorists willing to attack America, and that poppy and cannabis harvests are at an all time high.
Furthermore, he's never been found! Sorry Afghani and Iraqi people, you can have that poisonous depleted uranium strewn across your homeland until the end of our sun's life.
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Let me get this straight. You are lauding perhaps the most oppressive regime ever (Taliban) because they eliminated Opium and Cannabis production on a drug website? The people who flew the planes were Egyptian and Saudi nationals who were wanted criminals in their own country and received aid, succor, and safe haven by the government of another country. And the original countries are to blame because they didn't catch them or something?
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969710 - 02/02/08 05:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, the original countries are to blame because that is where they receieved their flawed thinking patterns. Are you too daft to think that it is a coincidence that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. Maybe it is something in their water over there.......
Edited by vintage_gonzo (02/02/08 06:32 PM)
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#7969719 - 02/02/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or their religious sect.
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: Redstorm]
#7969756 - 02/02/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No doubt it is their religious sect. The house of Saud is Sunni, and they have supported violent madrasahs for ages. Why do you think I blame the Saudi government?
[url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1082424/posts]
"Saudi Arabia's multibillion-dollar global spending on Wahhabi propaganda, he said, 'is a combustible compound when mixed with religious teachings in thousands of madrasahs (Islamic religious schools) that condemn pluralism and mark non-believers as enemies'.
Senators Jon Kyl and Charles Schumer subsequently accused Saudi Arabia of deceiving its American allies.
'The House of Saud has for decades played a double game with the United States, on the one hand acting as our ally, on the other supporting a movement - Wahhabism - that seeks our society's destruction,' they wrote in an article published in the Washington Post last August."
Edited by vintage_gonzo (02/03/08 02:09 PM)
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Re: The real success of the surge [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969802 - 02/02/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
zappaisgod said: Al Q is obviously on the run and there is absolutely no reason to let up.
Bollocks. If that were so, Saudi Arabia and Egypt would be the nations the US should have attacked. (I haven't a fucking clue why the UK joined in, it's not as if we were attacked, until 7/7. Then every single Englishman was baying for the blood of all towel-heads, and Tony Bliar was pleased.)
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
The FBI states the hijackers were Egyptian and Saudi, not Afghan and Iraq. Al-Queida did originate in Afghanistan, when the CIA trained Afghani militants to fight the Soviets, but again, Iraq had nothing to do with 911, had no WMD's. And when you want one man, you go for him. You do not bomb an already poor off country that managed to curtail heroin production to bloody bits, ensuring there will be angry terrorists willing to attack America, and that poppy and cannabis harvests are at an all time high.
Furthermore, he's never been found! Sorry Afghani and Iraqi people, you can have that poisonous depleted uranium strewn across your homeland until the end of our sun's life.
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