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1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED*
    #7968182 - 02/02/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
    #7968465 - 02/02/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are you going to be evaporating the ethanol afterwards?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
    #7968469 - 02/02/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i dont take no chances. cacti are too valuable to waste.

i let soak for 3 days, strain, 3 more days, strain, 3 more days, strain - at the LEAST. if i really want ALL the goodies i will do 6 more days,
but 9 days, with a strain every three days should be the minimum, no less.

now, if i have everclear, and a (electric)stove...i will sit there and make it all in a day. takes about 5 or 6 hours, but i put the everclear/pedro in a jar, and place that in pot of boiling water, and stir stir stir, and strain, until the alcohol stops pouring off dark green and is more of a clear color.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7968611 - 02/02/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Very interesting guys.

You use iso?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: MorphMan]
    #7968831 - 02/02/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
    #7968848 - 02/02/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Meh @ ethanol. I mean, yeah if you're going to just keep the by-product (a mescaline freebase oil, very "tar" like) frozen, it's fine. Kinda sucks to transport it though. Use IPA, it's cheaper and you wind up with the carbonate form once the IPA evaps. This can be easily crushed into a powdery material, easy to cap too.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: unbeliever]
    #7968885 - 02/02/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Whats the point of this alcohol extraction? Will the standard boiling method be just as effective?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7968903 - 02/02/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i actually find tea to be just as effective but i can say. tar extract i can help if you wanna prepare it and then have it ready at a moments notice later


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7968979 - 02/02/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

some people just cant stomach nasty teas. i have puked from extract before (high doses) but at least its a helluva lot easier to get down , roll into little balls and swallow or cap it up. no spray diahrreah either. :sanpedro:

also alcohol extract is much more convenient for transport, and is easier to carry than a bottle of tea.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7969116 - 02/02/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
    #7969181 - 02/02/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

when its black, strain, the alcohol cant hold anymore. heat speeds up the dissolving of the alkaloids, so it helps , but isnt necessary unless you are trying to do the extraction in a few hours instead of a few days.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7969276 - 02/02/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah it turns a dark black that when held to light is kinda dark black yet green.
i never had issuses with the tea and i think its rather fun carrying around a tea. i find tar to make people vomit it doesnt make me but in all the people i have give tar and tea to more people vomit from tar.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7969295 - 02/02/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I always do an Iso extraction because I can never stomach enough tea. Plus the tar makes a great fucking bowl topper!
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7969601 - 02/02/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

high enough doses will make anyone vomit, tea or tar.

i have only taken 1 high dose (70 grams dry torch powder extracted) with tar and that was the only time i vomited. the other 4 times hardly any nasuea at all. cacti is a powerful ally, much respect is due no matter what.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7969928 - 02/02/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Am I the only one who bothers to makes mescaline?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: 04281969]
    #7970286 - 02/02/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Making mescaline, or extracting mescaline salts, rather, usually requires more time, resources, and privacy than some people can afford. I fully understand why one would prefer to use a fast and easy method and give up the luxury of exact dosing.

Then again, nothing is as satisfying as scraping those wonderful needles from the bottom of a Pyrex baking dish. :smile:


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Ekstaza]
    #7970534 - 02/02/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess that makes sense, but growing crystals is fun and rewarding.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Ekstaza]
    #7970630 - 02/02/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So the way I read it, you soak it in Iso and periodically shake. Then you drain off the iso, and put more iso on the matter. You repeat the process till it doesn't release any more pigments, then take all the poured off iso and evaporate it.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7971119 - 02/02/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Am I the only one who bothers to makes mescaline?





Bothers to make mescaline?

Stop ruining good cacti.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7971990 - 02/03/08 07:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i think its best as tea, tar is pushing it, crystals is rape. the whole brewing of the tea and the communalness and wholesomeness just adds so much more to the trip. tho i assume a communal extraction might bear similar results but i doubt it will be as wholesome


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7972378 - 02/03/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

man fuck that. after hearing ekstazas story about paint spray diahrreah i will never drink tea.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7972468 - 02/03/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yea extractions are the way. By far.

Tea can leave you pretty sick.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Legoulash]
    #7972471 - 02/03/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh and Tea is completely wrong. Snot is much more correct.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Legoulash]
    #7972778 - 02/03/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Tea can leave you pretty sick.




Quote:

Oh and Tea is completely wrong. Snot is much more correct.





Not if you make it right...


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7972786 - 02/03/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

please, explain how to make tea "right" from dry torch powder?
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7972821 - 02/03/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you make it right, it's more like 10W-30.

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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: 04281969]
    #7973508 - 02/03/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

because the only thing about cactus tea is that really can make you want to gag is that it is snotty as where tar taste horrific,but yes you can gel cap it or roll the ball of tar in a glaze of maybe maple syrup or something that will harden and be a layer so theres no way you can taste it while swallowing just dont try to chew the damn thing.

as for brewing a tea, stir alot, add passion flower or/and ginger, 30-70g of cactus. and stir in a whole lot of love and everyone who is consuming should take a turn stirring if your not starting to feel the vibes while stir even if you never had it before something is most likely arye. brew for 30min-1hr what ever feels right or looks done its. then drink the snotty stuff. ill add that adding caapi and virdis takes away the snot effect but yes adds a nausea effect but obviously you need not to consume nearly as much. use amount of water relative to the size of group and when done freeze strained remains and attempt another brewing at a later time, this includes if you add caapi and such i find that you can make 3 brews out of seemingly 1-2 doses and also share it with 5 people each time and have everyone be at a heavy level where when drinken alone would only take you but this is only based off my numerous brews with numerous people and i give blessings and am a healer. so shrug it might not be as a effective method for you, but the people that i have given cactus to and who helped make brews with me, who later then shared brews with others without my presences had the same result, and i felt the brews here in nj as they took place in all sorts of other states. but as i say more often this is just my experience and that of those who accompanied me and those healers that i taught. And those random kids that wanted to get high and then found something way more.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7973738 - 02/03/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm interested in the effects that Passiflora has when added to cactus brew...

I would not use Caapi and Cactus together....

Strong MAOIs and tricocereus cacti is not a good idea...IMHO.


To make a cactus infusion I do the following-

Dry the green outer flesh of Trichocereus cacti, discard the skin and white inner flesh.

Brew it up at about 205F, just below boiling.

Do about 3-7 pulls and then combined and reduce the brew.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: 04281969]
    #7973799 - 02/03/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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04281969 said:
If you make it right, it's more like 10W-30.

Yum.




True that.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: flangenips]
    #7973818 - 02/03/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

10W-30?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7974250 - 02/03/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Engine lubricant. if strained and cooked well it has the look, feel on the fingers, and slight smell and taste of 10w-30 (i've work with tractors heaps, had engine lube get on my face many times haha). Had most profound trips when its like this.. though i prefer to have more water in my cactus tea these days, to lessen the gag effect on the back of my throat when getting it down.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: flangenips]
    #7974291 - 02/03/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:dielaughing: ok...


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7974480 - 02/03/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The snot doesn't break down until about 2 hours of simmering. Some people say to simmer for 4 hours, but I think that's overkill. You'll know when it's ready.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: 04281969]
    #7974625 - 02/03/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well it all depends on how much you're cooking too, i've always prepared for groups of 4+, only once for myself alone. I prefer to freeze the night before, defrost, then to cook very slowly sop i don't have to worry about checking on it too often. i.e i can go get blazed etc while i'm preparing and also have better control over the consistency i want.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
    #7974672 - 02/03/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Another method i've heard, have never tried, but recommended to me by a Chilean aquaintance, is deskinning, despining etc... and then cutting off very thin strips of the dark green flesh laying them in the sun to dry on glass, supposedly it dries out nicely and actual alkaloid crystals form on the side of the strips as they dry out and you collect just these discarding the plant matter. This seems very wasteful and i personally would not have the patience to cut thin strips and wait for the drying to occur.
maybe one day ill see if this is bullshit or truth. anyone know?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: flangenips]
    #7974783 - 02/03/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

passion flower i have found to make drastic change even smoking a small bowl of it will bring you up which will last for a bit. but as i have said tons of times. when you blance the doses of cactus and caapi its fine if you use to much you will vomit and trip really hard, the only bad thing is it will be a waste of alot of what was vomited unless it was a aya purge. cause technically that is ayahuasca just not traditional tho it has been noted some tribes mix caapi and cactus with dmt plants. Moderation is always key those were with weak cactus and maoi so with a strong cactus and maoi you need equal amount thus very little prehaps even 10g of cactus and caapi can do something like 70g straight. im exp. i have used 30-65g in a brew with caapi,virdis,virola,mimsoa,chaliponga,mushroom and have taken that dose alone or shared with 2-6 people and same results.
then i could also have one of my students or people i have taught the ways of brewing and healing to who make similar brews. (1)


http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html

], we in fact have no evidence that B-phenethylamines are rendered toxic by combination with single doses of B-carbolines, such as are employed in huascas. Moreover, there is circumstantial evidence for traditional use of ayahuasca containing mescaline and/or other B-phenethylamines in Amazonian Peru. One of the most complete scientific studies of ayahuasca yet conducted reported the use by Peruvian Indians of a cultivated Opuntia species, called tchai in Sharanahua, as an ayahuasca admixture, and said to be "very strong." Another cactus, a species of Epiphyllum, known as pokere in Sharanahua and wamapanako in Culina, was likewise added to ayahuasca.(15) A Shipibo informant recently stated that tchai was no longer employed in ayahuasca, the resulting brew becoming too intense.(16) We have no phytochemical data on these cacti, but several species of Opuntia are known to contain low levels of mescaline, (17) and preliminary human bioassays suggest that the B-carboline harmaline might in fact potentiate mescaline - low doses of 60 and 100 mg mescaline hydrochloride, corresponding to 51 and 86 mg base or 0.78 and 1.32 mg/kg respectively, were decidedly psychoactive. The combination of mescaline or mescaline-containing cacti with B-carbolines has been dubbed peyohuasca.(5,18)

1.Thedudenj (2007). shroomery psychedelic experience forum. NJ
i could also except and cite my other posts about this and anyone elses posts about this combo.
5.Ott, J. (1994). Ayahuasca Analogues: Pangean Entheogens. Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA
15.Rivier, L. and J.-E. Lindgren (1972). 'Ayahuasca,' the South American hallucinogenic drink: An ethnobotanical and chemical investigation. Economic Botany. 26(1):101-129.
16.Bianchi, A. and G. Samorini (1993). Plants in association with ayahuasca. Jahrbuch fur Ethnomedizin und BewuBtseinsforschung. 2:21-42.
17.Ott, J. (1993). Pharmacotheon: Entheogenic Drugs, Their Plant Sources and History. Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA.
18.Ott, J. (1994). The Age of Entheogens & The Angels' Dictionary.
Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7975438 - 02/03/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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it has been noted some tribes mix caapi and cactus with dmt plants.




PLEASE PM me a link!!!

Or post a qoute!

Epiphyllum contains chemicals which are medicinal and is not psychoactive.


I have looked into psychoactive Opuntia and cannot confirm any exist.

Tho I do know of Opuntia cactus which was reputed to be psychoactive, but it turns out, it isn't.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975760 - 02/03/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

my response is you give me a link or referance where its listed as not active.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
    #7975792 - 02/03/08 10:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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listed as not active





Listed as not active?

WTF?

Am I supposed to get that book?

"Cacti which ARE NOT Psychoactive":smirk:

Dude?


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7975849 - 02/03/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

look up Opuntia basilaris tho theres suppose to be more then just that one. we could always get some lol and extract it or just eat it thats what these people said they claimed to do it just like how johnattan ott claimed to learn what he did i guess. regaurdless they contain tryamine whats considered the problem here. as i said i have not known one person to have an issuse with cactus an maoi when taken in moderate doses. in a few cases others took to much and vomited and that was the only negitive effect and then they tripped really hard.


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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: unbeliever]
    #23727388 - 10/11/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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unbeliever said:
Meh @ ethanol. I mean, yeah if you're going to just keep the by-product (a mescaline freebase oil, very "tar" like) frozen, it's fine. Kinda sucks to transport it though. Use IPA, it's cheaper and you wind up with the carbonate form once the IPA evaps. This can be easily crushed into a powdery material, easy to cap too.




Ipa ? Does he mean beer. What does he mean ? Iso ?


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