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John Nada
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1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED*
#7968182 - 02/02/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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MorphMan
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
#7968465 - 02/02/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you going to be evaporating the ethanol afterwards?
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ShroomDoom
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
#7968469 - 02/02/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i dont take no chances. cacti are too valuable to waste.
i let soak for 3 days, strain, 3 more days, strain, 3 more days, strain - at the LEAST. if i really want ALL the goodies i will do 6 more days, but 9 days, with a strain every three days should be the minimum, no less.
now, if i have everclear, and a (electric)stove...i will sit there and make it all in a day. takes about 5 or 6 hours, but i put the everclear/pedro in a jar, and place that in pot of boiling water, and stir stir stir, and strain, until the alcohol stops pouring off dark green and is more of a clear color.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
#7968611 - 02/02/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very interesting guys.
You use iso?
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John Nada
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: MorphMan]
#7968831 - 02/02/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
#7968848 - 02/02/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meh @ ethanol. I mean, yeah if you're going to just keep the by-product (a mescaline freebase oil, very "tar" like) frozen, it's fine. Kinda sucks to transport it though. Use IPA, it's cheaper and you wind up with the carbonate form once the IPA evaps. This can be easily crushed into a powdery material, easy to cap too.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: unbeliever]
#7968885 - 02/02/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whats the point of this alcohol extraction? Will the standard boiling method be just as effective?
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thedudenj
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
#7968903 - 02/02/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i actually find tea to be just as effective but i can say. tar extract i can help if you wanna prepare it and then have it ready at a moments notice later
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
#7968979 - 02/02/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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some people just cant stomach nasty teas. i have puked from extract before (high doses) but at least its a helluva lot easier to get down , roll into little balls and swallow or cap it up. no spray diahrreah either. 
also alcohol extract is much more convenient for transport, and is easier to carry than a bottle of tea.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: ShroomDoom]
#7969116 - 02/02/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: John Nada]
#7969181 - 02/02/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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when its black, strain, the alcohol cant hold anymore. heat speeds up the dissolving of the alkaloids, so it helps , but isnt necessary unless you are trying to do the extraction in a few hours instead of a few days.
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thedudenj
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
#7969276 - 02/02/08 03:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah it turns a dark black that when held to light is kinda dark black yet green. i never had issuses with the tea and i think its rather fun carrying around a tea. i find tar to make people vomit it doesnt make me but in all the people i have give tar and tea to more people vomit from tar.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
#7969295 - 02/02/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always do an Iso extraction because I can never stomach enough tea. Plus the tar makes a great fucking bowl topper!
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: thedudenj]
#7969601 - 02/02/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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high enough doses will make anyone vomit, tea or tar.
i have only taken 1 high dose (70 grams dry torch powder extracted) with tar and that was the only time i vomited. the other 4 times hardly any nasuea at all. cacti is a powerful ally, much respect is due no matter what.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: ShroomDoom]
#7969928 - 02/02/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Am I the only one who bothers to makes mescaline?
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: 04281969]
#7970286 - 02/02/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Making mescaline, or extracting mescaline salts, rather, usually requires more time, resources, and privacy than some people can afford. I fully understand why one would prefer to use a fast and easy method and give up the luxury of exact dosing.
Then again, nothing is as satisfying as scraping those wonderful needles from the bottom of a Pyrex baking dish.
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Ekstaza]
#7970534 - 02/02/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess that makes sense, but growing crystals is fun and rewarding.
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PoisonedV
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: Ekstaza]
#7970630 - 02/02/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So the way I read it, you soak it in Iso and periodically shake. Then you drain off the iso, and put more iso on the matter. You repeat the process till it doesn't release any more pigments, then take all the poured off iso and evaporate it. Is this correct?
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: PoisonedV]
#7971119 - 02/02/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Am I the only one who bothers to makes mescaline?
Bothers to make mescaline?
Stop ruining good cacti.
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thedudenj
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Re: 1. San Pedro/Alcohol, asap [Re: FarFromHere]
#7971990 - 02/03/08 07:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i think its best as tea, tar is pushing it, crystals is rape. the whole brewing of the tea and the communalness and wholesomeness just adds so much more to the trip. tho i assume a communal extraction might bear similar results but i doubt it will be as wholesome
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