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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #7962364 - 01/31/08 09:53 PM (16 years, 11 hours ago)

Is there any commercial way to get redboy or do i have to find sum one willing to trade ?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bw86]
    #7962393 - 01/31/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 11 hours ago)

I don't know... but check the shroomery sponsors

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #7962467 - 01/31/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 10 hours ago)

ralph has it i think


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7962685 - 01/31/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 10 hours ago)

what can people tell me about Alacabenzi and brazilian strains? i recieved one of each instead of the one B+ syringe i ordered. im not sure which to use for my first grow


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7962742 - 01/31/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 9 hours ago)

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Ralph has those on his site and hes not a rip off
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page1269.html

http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2485.html

z-strain




My best guess is that ralph started offering it to help expose the rip off website. But the dude just kept making up new names so its pretty much pointless to keep offering his made up strains. Its too much hassle to explain the whole story to everybody that isnt in the know, thus he just markets it as Z Strain.

Just do a search for Z strain prior to 2003.

Here is a start.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/759210#Post759210


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: daft crunk]
    #7962778 - 01/31/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 9 hours ago)

I know the Brazilians are one of the faster colonizing strains. Not sure about the other though.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Conquistador]
    #7963128 - 02/01/08 01:02 AM (16 years, 8 hours ago)

well if roadkill says so ill believe him.
but these pics do not look alike 2 me
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2232.html
the z strain pic on the left does a bit though
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2485.html
idk either way all this misconception is very fustrating, cause it dont make sense why he would even offer them, idk


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7963798 - 02/01/08 08:10 AM (16 years, 53 minutes ago)

I got a free syringe of "Z" strain PSY CUBS

thinkin i wanna start them today if I can get some info on them
cany find any info on them or even spores for sale

whats up with these?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: civicracerx7]
    #7963822 - 02/01/08 08:16 AM (16 years, 47 minutes ago)

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I got a free syringe of "Z" strain PSY CUBS

thinkin i wanna start them today if I can get some info on them
cany find any info on them or even spores for sale

whats up with these?


it's just another cube. people get to serious about "strains" it's quite annoying


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7964038 - 02/01/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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flushme said:
well if roadkill says so ill believe him.
but these pics do not look alike 2 me
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2232.html
the z strain pic on the left does a bit though
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2485.html
idk either way all this misconception is very fustrating, cause it dont make sense why he would even offer them, idk




Well I don’t know what to tell you, there isn’t mutch that can be done for you if you are too stubborn to believe that a shroomery sponsor would offer a "fake" strain. Vendors will be vendors. Let me ask you this, if our sponsors are so honest, than why do they even mention potency in there descriptions? Why aren’t the vendors saying a cube is a cube is a cube like we have been saying for years?

The whole problem about the old strain thread is the info was taken from vendor sites and deemed misrepresentative an inaccurate.

But again if you want to be narrow minded enough to think that just because a specific vendor is a shroomery sponsor puts them at some sort if "god" status, there is nothing more I can do for people like you.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Mojo]
    #7964162 - 02/01/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

www.ralphstersspotes.com is a quality vendor. He did release some of the, Creeper "Hybrid" strains... along with www.thehawkseye.com. They did this to sell the SAME spores at REASONABLE prices.

Ralph, also likes to release his own, "New" cube strains to the market. Often they are introduced as his free strain of the month. These, "Strains" are released with very LIMITED descriptions... some came from the wild, some were resurrected from OLD prints thought long lost, some were taken from spores in Amsterdam coffee shops. Some, "Strains" seem to have been purchased from other Shroomery vendors, and exploited for Ralph's own profits.

This may be a bit of overkill... although he does offer a huge selection of cube spores.

Cubes grow all over the world, and most different "Strains" look, taste and feel like cubes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ralph's 1 paragraph description, and limited photos of the cube at any point in the growth cycle, can be quite disappointing. It can be VERY hard to find more ACCURATE info... especially about SEVERAL of Ralph's, newest "Strains".

Like Roger Rabbit says, the fancier the name, the more likely it is JUST ANOTHER CUBE "Strain".

There ARE only a few UNIQUE cube "Strains"... the rest, while they may come with interesting stories... are more or less, just cubes.

To me, the most UNIQUE cube strains are, Penis Envy, PE 6, Albino cubes like Albino Penis Envy, PF Albino, the redspore cubes... like PF Redspore, Redbody... fruits with interesting veils like Malabar and Transkei... and the LARGE cubes... like B+ and Orissa India. Also... PF Fatass, and other fatass strains like Koh Samui.

The VAST majority of ALL THE OTHER, "Strains" will look, taste and feel JUST LIKE CUBES, when you grow them to fruit. The macroscopic differences from one "Strain" to another are MINOR at best (like a flat cap vs. a rounded cap.. a cap with white around the rim... or a bumpy cap)... and virtually NONEXISTENT in some cases.

Every SINGLE time you grow from SPORES, your RESULTS in LOOKS, POTENCY and QUANTITY may vary... sometimes GREATLY.

This it true, for the most part... but there WILL be disagreement... especially from newer members, who haven't grown many cube "Strains", and like one vendor better than another.

Don't believe me?

Watch this discussion progress, and see who most often disagrees. :wink:

If I were on the market for a REGULAR OLD CUBE, I'd pick one from a PART OF THE WORLD that I'd like to visit... and as I grew the cubes... I'd plan my trip to that particular place.

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #7964242 - 02/01/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The cubes I used to get from Psilocybe fanaticus labeled "amazonian" fruited much better from cakes than the three other strains I tried back in the 1990s. I assume the "PF classic" is supposed to be the same strain, but I don't mess with cubes much anymore.

It's my understanding that PF chose the strain specifically because it fruited very easily with the PF tek he designed.

I have a question for all you wise old growers who are sure that strain does not matter.

Everybody knows that some cultures (mycelial isolates) perform better than others in given situations. Why would spores from these isolates not retain the properties of the parent colony?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7964293 - 02/01/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The cubes I used to get from Psilocybe fanaticus labeled "amazonian" fruited much better from cakes than the three other strains I tried back in the 1990s. I assume the "PF classic" is supposed to be the same strain, but I don't mess with cubes much anymore.

It's my understanding that PF chose the strain specifically because it fruited very easily with the PF tek he designed.

I have a question for all you wise old growers who are sure that strain does not matter.

Everybody knows that some cultures (mycelial isolates) perform better than others in given situations. Why would spores from these isolates not retain the properties of the parent colony?




GREAT questions...

The fact is, some isolates grow better on different substrates than others.

I am not a cultivation expert, so I could be a bit off... still, let me attempt to oversimplify:

By isolating... printing, isolating, printing... etc... you can STABILIZE a cube by growing isolates that EXPLOIT that cube's UNIQUE TRAITS... and the cube, eventually will keep MOST of its unique qualities when grown from multispore. With a little research, and the right equipment, ANYBODY can do it.

PF Classic is a PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. PF claims he worked HARD to select and TRAIN an isolate to grow well on BRF. And eventually the PF Amazonian (AKA PF Classic) DID grow great on BRF... and I imagine that MANY of the spores he sold came from the SAME isolate.

Now, PF classic is SEVERAL GENERATIONS OLDER, and PF no longer SELLS IT. PF's ISOLATE is LONG GONE. PF Classic no longer comes from the same EXACT SOURCE, so it may not be EXACTLY the same cube you remember... but it still shares many traits.

For you see, OTHER VENDORS have started the process over again... isolating, printing... etc. Perhaps these OTHER VENDORS were looking for DIFFERENT TRAITS than PF...

"Strains" can evolve quite quickly, especially since other vendors must use new isolates in order to re-release a "Strain".

Part of the reason I want better "Strain" descriptions, is to keep the INTEGRITY of each "Strain" alive... from generation to generation... and from vendor to vendor.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Mojo]
    #7964993 - 02/01/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Mojo said:
Quote:

flushme said:
well if roadkill says so ill believe him.
but these pics do not look alike 2 me
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2232.html
the z strain pic on the left does a bit though
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2485.html
idk either way all this misconception is very fustrating, cause it dont make sense why he would even offer them, idk




Well I don’t know what to tell you, there isn’t mutch that can be done for you if you are too stubborn to believe that a shroomery sponsor would offer a "fake" strain. Vendors will be vendors. Let me ask you this, if our sponsors are so honest, than why do they even mention potency in there descriptions? Why aren’t the vendors saying a cube is a cube is a cube like we have been saying for years?

The whole problem about the old strain thread is the info was taken from vendor sites and deemed misrepresentative an inaccurate.

But again if you want to be narrow minded enough to think that just because a specific vendor is a shroomery sponsor puts them at some sort if "god" status, there is nothing more I can do for people like you.




theres no reason to hate on me for asking simple question, and btw every strain has a diffrent effect on MY body and I notice the diffrent effects from each strain. so im sorry that you dont,
so you need quit being so rude


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7965361 - 02/01/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

a cube is a cube, but i never see post on Pans, how much harder are they to grow then cubes ?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bw86]
    #7965482 - 02/01/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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a cube is a cube, but i never see post on Pans, how much harder are they to grow then cubes ?


there is a whole section devoted to pans in the cultivation forum. they are harder to grow. i've had only limited success with them


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7965706 - 02/01/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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flushme said:
Quote:

Mojo said:
Quote:

flushme said:
well if roadkill says so ill believe him.
but these pics do not look alike 2 me
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2232.html
the z strain pic on the left does a bit though
http://www.ralphstersspores.com/index_files/Page2485.html
idk either way all this misconception is very fustrating, cause it dont make sense why he would even offer them, idk




Well I don’t know what to tell you, there isn’t mutch that can be done for you if you are too stubborn to believe that a shroomery sponsor would offer a "fake" strain. Vendors will be vendors. Let me ask you this, if our sponsors are so honest, than why do they even mention potency in there descriptions? Why aren’t the vendors saying a cube is a cube is a cube like we have been saying for years?

The whole problem about the old strain thread is the info was taken from vendor sites and deemed misrepresentative an inaccurate.

But again if you want to be narrow minded enough to think that just because a specific vendor is a shroomery sponsor puts them at some sort if "god" status, there is nothing more I can do for people like you.




theres no reason to hate on me for asking simple question, and btw every strain has a diffrent effect on MY body and I notice the diffrent effects from each strain. so im sorry that you dont,
so you need quit being so rude




Your right, I can’t really tell a difference between cubes. You’re also right that that I was a rude. And I apologize for it. Sometimes stress shows through in my typing. I’m actually a nice guy, I swear.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7967191 - 02/01/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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every strain has a diffrent effect on MY body and I notice the diffrent effects from each strain




Every single PAIRING of TWO SPORES can have a different effect on your body.

People give credit to the cube, "Strain"... but I type, "Strain" with quotation marks for a reason.

Every single vendor's version of a certain cube, "Strain" will be, at the very least, slightly different from another vendor's... and your spores will be somewhat different from another person's spores.

A little research will show you that BOTH mind set (your mood and/or train of thought when you trip), and setting (in other words... WHERE you decide to trip and WHO you decide to trip with) play a large part in the perception of cube potency.

If you think about Tasmania when you trip on Tasmanians... it WILL influence your experience. Even if you have never been there.

If you think a cube is STRONG before you eat it... THAT will have an impact on your experience.

If you trip in the MOUNTAINS on Pink Buffalo... THAT will impact your perception of PINK BUFFALO... you might like it better than your friend who just tripped on PB in his room.

If your FIRST TRIP EVER was on B+, you'd have a different experience all together. If it was a profound experience, you'd likely think B+ was VERY potent.

Also, if the mushrooms were FRESH it will have an impact... if they were DRIED, THAT will have an impact... if they were dried POORLY, THAT will have an impact.

AND if you trip with your MOM...

...see where I am going with this?

There are too many variables. People will debate potency and personal tripping experiences until the cows come home.

It is impossible to say for certain how POTENT something is without accurately MEASURING the POTENCY. All other reports are influenced by TOO MANY VARIABLES.

Some cubes are KNOWN to be more potent than others... but how much of that is just people expecting a STRONG trip BEFORE they even eat the damned shroom? How much of it is a marketing ploy by a vendor? Without proof, it is impossible to say.

This is why I am not focusing on potency in my strain guide.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/117267

For every person saying one cube is strong, there is another saying it is weak.

But even the BLIND think a nice Penis Envy is shaped like a penis... or an albino is an albino. Blind people can SMELL albinism. :tongue:


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #7967890 - 02/02/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im sorry i was jsut sharing my experiance, and BTW the first 8 or so times i tripped i had no clue what kind they were, they were from the street. sorry again, ill shut up about potency


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
    #7968623 - 02/02/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No need to apologize. This shit took me a LONG time to figure out.

Talk about potency all you want... it was just time to mention WHY potency is a problem issue. There ARE differences in potency from one "Strain" to another... but we've yet to prove how large those differences are.

I actually agree with you, flushme... I just can't prove it... and without proof, I could be giving out misinformation. When it comes to tripping, misinformation is bad.

Unless it can be PROVEN, I can't in good conscience, add it to my posts in the strain guide.

Bulk, is another one of those problem areas... for similar reasons... too many variables. Was it multispore? An isolate? How moist was your substrate? Was there good fresh air exchange? Where the shrooms fully mature when harvested?

Too many variables.


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