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High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics
#7967846 - 02/02/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In the now, I made the decision to no longer high dose my current ethnogens of choice (Mushrooms and LSD). My largest dose of Mushrooms was 7 grams, 5 at once and 2 later, and largest of LSD was 15 or so hits, def. at the 1500 mic mark. While many men have done many more, related to what I'm used to these were truly obscene amounts to even consider ingesting, for most people respectively. However, those curious enough will undoubtedly want to go off the deep in sooner or later. I was curious enough and serious enough, so I got naked and dove in.
Why take that much? One of my good friends whom I introduced to LSD, and got the hang of a "300 mic" trip fairly easily, can barely "understand or comprehend" why take that much. One of the benefits I feel, that most people come out of a trip that monstrous is that of "Hey, maybe there is some magic left in the dose range I'm used to" or "I have an experience so fucking intense, like a Psychedelic Ninja that performed Quantum Kung Fu on your brain; Turning your brain up to 11. "Heroic Dose" It's like quotations within quotations within quotations...you get the drift (on two hits) Anyways, yeah, dude, I have this experience under my belt so inspiring, I no longer fear any trip to come ahead of me. It's like I'm high level, and I can look down."
However, as beneficial these safety caches are, they may only be of serious use to the serious tripper. Some one who does it every so often is probably fine with a small amount. I'm in it to win it, baby, so I need the tools of the trade to properly continue to trip. I'm in it to win it, meaning I don't want to lose it, meaning I don't want to go crazy. Large doses make you learn the chemical quite quickly, with ultra-mega repetition, with little need to pay close attention. In a way, a large dose can be psychedelic cliff notes, which after you can get to seriously studying the subtleties and even large dose nature of so called smaller doses.
Relativity plays a key issue here, the act of essentially using your memory to form points of comparison. However, can anything compare to a large dose? Will it make small doses nothing compared to it? I think the answer is no, but quite the opposite; It will actually increase the intensity of "lower dosing".
Imagine your most insane experience (for me, the 15 hits) as a singularity point, representative as some sort of culmination which forms a vertex above all other trips. A tripping pyramid, if you will, with each block logically fitting into place, connecting all experiences. The path is clear now, Rambo! When lowdosing, IN THEORY,you should be able to climb your psychedelic pyramid to the tippity top, due to a strong sense of memory,and strong association from one trip to the next. When taking deez drugz as seriously as I do, a strong tripping memory is developed; A strong sense of commitment to pay attention to the almost endless array of effects and affections. People end up using their shit for different reasons, me being art, music and humor (unfortunately mostly generic; Damn Deaddy Bears! :shakesfist;-)
It is easier for me to navigate my psychedelic mindspace due to the simple fact that everything in that space is related to the Cap Stone. However the question is now: Is it the size of the pyramid that counts? I'd tell you, well depends. Some people never can get a hint, and want a Big Pyramid all the time. No teasing allowed. Some people can find enjoyment in any size pyramid (well mostly any size pyramid;-) some people get a taste of the pyramid and realize they aren't gay, errrr...a tripper. In this case, I think there is no correct answer, and it is a pretty subjective act of Judgment. Do your part, but do it well.
I know for me, I can separate my tripping styles into two distinct categories: "GOOD Ol' Fashion Fun" and "Olde Fashion Fun" The first is just what it sounds like: Playing Monopoly, Riding a Bike, Frisbee, Music, Eatin' Some Mushrooms, good times, good times...THE OTHER is fun in the sense that working 14 hours in the sun on a farm is. You're learning a lot of new stuff, though, because you never been on this farm. The farm was only hinted at, a speck in the distance. It's backbreaking and rewarding. Bleeding Knuckles but a Cold Beer at the end of a hot day. That is what a large dose is like. Grandpa kicks your ass then buys you a beer.
That is why psychedelics CAN be a very serious art and subject. This shit will FUCK you UP and DOWN at THE SAME TIME, if you don't know what you're getting into. Be mindful when approaching any dose, really, is the law of my land. Use any tools at your disposal to remember you are gonna be OKAY, whether it be Ram Dass, Tim Leary, McKenna, shit even shitty Pinchbeck if dats how you roll, supafly. I care about you being okay in the end, not how "Truthful" the aforementioned people's words may be. Acceptance is a tool that brings me to baseline, for instance. Hammertime, folks.
Salvia or other fast, potent psychedelics are something similar to a very high dose of the longer lasting ones. They offer experiences which can be used as applied singularity points, to form cap stones, where ever; IN theory, your psychedelic pyramid could be composed of many pyramids within pyramids, many farm houses. A whole fuckin' village, even! A village you associate with everything, one thing, or nothing. Or possibly all three, I don't know, it's your town! However since I can't DIRECTLY visit it, you still should print up travel brochures, and let me know where you've been, so I KNOW if I passed through your town, or even know how to get there all by myself. A large dose, for some people, is the perfect navigational tool.
15 hits of acid is absolutely insane to say the least. I wrote about it, however I can't really longer write about as a singular trip, as all trips I have had before and after are now seemingly connecting, converging into it, the convergence being it. As big as my pyramid is though, i try to have it remain generally unfurbished. I have a few bits of furniture (not necessarily gained from trips) I'm a man of few and simple possessions. The pyramid LOOKS bad ass though! My pyramid holds a lot of people though, do to it being mostly empty, so ya'll can come party!
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Edited by Apollyphelion (02/02/08 10:28 AM)
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7967883 - 02/02/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like you suffered brain damage.
No really, though, glad you had a good time.
The hole is so deep that most don't care to see the end of it.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7967896 - 02/02/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can I wear my scarab beetle and phoenix amulets??
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: backfromthedead]
#7967937 - 02/02/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.
For a while I would down 1/8th like it was nothing, I thought that was a standard dose. I tripped balls and loved it, never considering its intensity. Turns out in retrospect, it was actually too intense for the frequency in which I tripped, and it was taking an emotional toll on me.
I learned this when I dosed 7g's alone one stupid night, and my view of the psychedelic experience was completely bowled over. Now I look back on my older trips, and realize that they were pretty fucking intense as well. When I trip now, if I'm only doing it for fun, I stick to lower doses because my awareness of how intense tripping ACTUALLY is has been irrevocably increased.
I talk about tripping with my friends who have never done as much, and they say shit like "dude stop over exaggerating what happens." It's only because they don't have a complete awareness of how insane a strong shroom or acid trip really is.
I still do higher doses, but now only when I'm prepared for a true psychedelic experience.
edit: at least I think that's what you are talking about. I don't really relate to the pyramid metaphor as much
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Edited by g00ru (02/02/08 09:09 AM)
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
#7968076 - 02/02/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm about to get a big pile of acid and I want to give heroic dosing a shot. I'm talking 800+ mics. (I've never gone over 400-500 mics, which was extremely intense and mind-boggling but not that hard to handle.)
Any tips, caveats, etc.?
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7968102 - 02/02/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha, I would love to epic dose, but I think I would go insane knowing that "that world" could always go deeper.
I'm satisfied with where I've been, and I'd like to move further but there is no way in hell I'd ever go past 7 or 8 hits of acid, or 5-6 grams of shrooms.
Then again, I said I'd try acid once in my life and look where that ended up
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7968112 - 02/02/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i used to do fuckloads of psychedelics, it has totally altered my personality. my largest dose of shrooms was 14 grams in one dose. another time i ate 3/4 an ounce in a night in multiple doses (had an intense obe). i am so much different than the average folk... hardly ever get angry or complain. there is so much space around my perception of the world. some find this weird but i find them unrealized. the select few who are open view me completely different than the close-minded judgemental type. i seek these people.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
#7968126 - 02/02/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
guruu said: I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.
For a while I would down 1/8th like it was nothing, I thought that was a standard dose. I tripped balls and loved it, never considering its intensity. Turns out in retrospect, it was actually too intense for the frequency in which I tripped, and it was taking an emotional toll on me.
I learned this when I dosed 7g's alone one stupid night, and my view of the psychedelic experience was completely bowled over. Now I look back on my older trips, and realize that they were pretty fucking intense as well. When I trip now, if I'm only doing it for fun, I stick to lower doses because my awareness of how intense tripping ACTUALLY is has been irrevocably increased.
I talk about tripping with my friends who have never done as much, and they say shit like "dude stop over exaggerating what happens." It's only because they don't have a complete awareness of how insane a strong shroom or acid trip really is.
I still do higher doses, but now only when I'm prepared for a true psychedelic experience.
edit: at least I think that's what you are talking about. I don't really relate to the pyramid metaphor as much
I feel similarly towards my use of psychedelics.
I went out to a club last night and took a microdot, it was verrry potent. It got a bit hairy for twenty minutes or so but luckily I had some good people around me. It was an amazing experience, the type of night that I will inevitably fall into at this crazy stage of my life.
The more and more I trip and the higher I dose, I find that tripping starts to lose its novelty.
Going to a club and getting spun out will get old sooner or later but I would still like to explore ego death and taste infinity in those rare heavy dose explorations
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Unifloo]
#7968138 - 02/02/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ime ego death on acid is much more profound than on mushrooms, but the only times i could reach those intense states was when dosing solo and smoking pot on the comeup. a giant mandala vortex would appear and act as sort of a wormhole, sucking me into the center and out of my body/mind.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: deranger]
#7968157 - 02/02/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, with a lot of trips and some pretty out there experiences under my belt, I find that I can use these experiences as a reference point for sober dealings and thoughts.
I often wonder if I was to have a couple of heroic trips in the space of a year would I even need or want to trip again.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Unifloo]
#7968184 - 02/02/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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these experiences are great reference points for me, especially during meditation. at times during meditation memories of exanding beyond mind during ego-death experiences will be triggered, in which will give the feeling of awareness expansion and space of mind. if it weren't for these important psychedelic experiences meditation would not be what it is now. they work together in a way that allows for utter self-introspection and realization, not only in the psychedelic state but during sober states induced through such self-reflective practises.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: deranger]
#7968191 - 02/02/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Acid has changed the way I meditate, too. It showed me how to clear my mind and enter a serene focus as easily as flexing a muscle. The only thing I need to do now is exercise that muscle.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7968300 - 02/02/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Laziness is definitely a hindrance for me
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: deranger]
#7968344 - 02/02/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Same here... I used to meditate on public transportation every day, but now I have a driver's license. Deep meditation on the freeway just doesn't seem very wise to me.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7968509 - 02/02/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Concentration on the road is definitely wise 
(joke)
Edited by SyntheticMInd (02/02/08 12:40 PM)
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: deranger]
#7968633 - 02/02/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for saying something thats been on a good deal of peoples mind that they just didnt know how to really say man. what you said was just so very well put
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#7968651 - 02/02/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always wanted to do Trichocereus cactus and Mushrooms at the same time.
Or B. caapi, Psychotria and Mushrooms....holy shit...
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: deranger]
#7968689 - 02/02/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The largest dose of an entheogen that I've taken was 18 hits of white blotter with a blue gradient effect across it. It was planned 3 months in advance, and between those 3 months I tripped only once before the awakening... When the time finally came, me and my two buddies at the time went to my grandpa's 500 acre farm, started out taking a 1/4 of mushrooms first actually, and drove around in the 6-wheeler ATV and ran in the fields... I wish it wouldn't have been the dead of winter when we decided to do that. There was only a little bit of green in some of the fields... everything was so barren. So cold. Finally taking the trip was a huge release - it had built up in our minds so much.
Once we took the acid, things were taken to a whole new level. I ate pretty much two 10 strips... then we ate some ecstasy. (the fatal flaw) I was saturated with psychadelics and my friend, whose birthday it was and who provided all the drugs, lost his conscious mind leaving only his subconscious to express itself through his body, which if you don't know leads to some really weird shit happening (like in dreams).
I am going to give my conclusions on why he had such a textbook horrible, unenjoyable, mind-blowing trip. This guy's mindset has always leaned more towards the party side. By that I don't mean we went to parties a lot. We went to one party in all our time knowing eachother. I'm not a partier, he isn't either really.
But therein was the problem... this "party" or "let's just see how fucked up we can get" attitude is what made him spiral into oblivion. The other friend and myself had meditated a few hours prior to taking anything, which I think is why we had the capacity to maintain sanity in such a bewilderingly chemical-saturated state.
When we all put the strips in our mouth simultaneously, I looked at him because he let out a moan and was like "Oh god, yes".... I was creeped out from that moment on. God damn man, I'm glad you're just getting your rocks off and I had to pay for your fucking mistake by being dragged into your bad trip.
'hem... sorry.
I considered leaving the farmhouse and those two, just going out into the wilderness on my own, just running away from the situation... but I was actually able to rationalize, through all the chaos in my brain, that I should stay and make sure he doesn't hurt himself or set the house on fire or some crazy story that would get news coverage and police involvement... I was fucking scared, man.
The substances became my reality... I was no longer truly in my body, I was simply experiencing its reality from above. But the spirit of the entheogens melded with my consciousness, and for a time we were one.
I heard a sound on this trip, that will never leave my memory.. yet I'll never be able to hear it or even imagine it again until I reach that level again, if I ever even choose to. The sound can only be described as a constant, almost electrical humming sound that was being processed through a wah pedal... the other friend, who didn't freak out either, also reported hearing a similar sound.
All in all the trip revolved around my friend's freak out, so... I didn't get to do much personal soul searching. Only after a year has my incessant contemplation and analyzation of the experience brought me any kind of closure, or spiritual value. Despite this fact, there's no way for me to explain to you what I got out of it. It is intangible, this knowledge I have...
The knowledge of death.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: manyc]
#7968812 - 02/02/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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mind fucks as intense as they are aint for me to many instance where i can cook up a story that even i beleive i need communication, if i go any deeper into myself i think im jus gonna be a bumbling idiot, i need to peel! its what i want...
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Konyap]
#7968882 - 02/02/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol mind fucks are fun lol specailly when its just really hard core intense mind fucking and other mind fucking its just mind fucking fantasticly horrificly tasteful.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#7969049 - 02/02/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's not a mind fuck when there is no mind to be fucked 
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aiyobro said: to many instance where i can cook up a story that even i beleive i need communication, if i go any deeper into myself i think im jus gonna be a bumbling idiot, i need to peel! its what i want...
many do need the ego's security, it is our sense of home and to lose grasp of it would be to explore out of our boundaries. not something you see too often nowadays. also, many who have experienced ego death would agree that the experience itself is not a story to be cooked up, rather an experience that has been imprinted into one's perception of reality. no matter what story we wrap around it afterwards, it is still there and we can still manifest realizations and positive change from it in the waking state through self-reflection. it is not for the fearful...
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7971985 - 02/03/08 07:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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bump "shit even shitty Pinchbeck if dats how you roll" yeah he isnt that great other than just being human and all. hes a funny funny guy i saw him last night.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: thedudenj]
#7972130 - 02/03/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I can be a pretty harsh comic. Heavy words to be taken lightly. I really enjoyed 2012: Return of Quetzacoatl, though.
Thank you for all that replied! I was admittedly flattered by the ammount of them due to the fact this was considered a janky article written through fustration really. Glad my silly emotions served a purpose! Score!
AroundTheSon said something about most not wanting to see the end of the hole for it is so deep; Perhaps the hole is infinite? Or finite merely because our brain can only go so deep? Maybe both?
This hole is also a metaphor for something? Too many questions, actually. I'll stick to surfing on the surface, for now.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7972184 - 02/03/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i found 'the hole' to be an ugly metaphor after all the fine talk of pyramids.
One would raise, one would sink it seemed to me.
Building blocks or digging holes? I know what i'd rather be doing.
Though now i think of it, i'd probably rather be building bridges over streams. Not that i wouldn't want to visit the pyramid surrounded by the rushing waters, when i was done.
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Re: High Dosing, Doing' Fuck Loads of Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7972341 - 02/03/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Perhaps it is infinite. I have never had the courage to undertake the full plunge.
Whatever metaphor you choose to describe it, it can be a beautiful experience.
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