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Offline1Derland
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Oust, Is more better?
    #7967575 - 02/02/08 03:07 AM (16 years, 14 minutes ago)

Here is the sitch... Have a small 8X5 bathroom I do my work in but the chem's in the air was getting to me. So I bought a full face mask (niosh ) so I wouldn't have to deal with it. Also got a tyvek suit w/ hood.I have about 10 bulk spawn trays I want to make.

So here is the question:

When it comes to Oust in the air, Is more better?

I ask because, now that I can deal with a higher concentration of oust in the air it would make sense that if there was any benefit to this I should do it as it will not bother me. It seems like being able to keep the concentration in the air fairly even and higher than normal would surely be advantageous at keeping air bacterial levels closer to the zero level unless there is some problem with it killing or contaminating the spawn if it is too thick. Would it hurt to continue spraying it in the air occasionally as I spawn my grain to bulk? Has anyone had experience w/ this?


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: 1Derland]
    #7967768 - 02/02/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well your tyvek suits will be for naught if you're really doing this in your bathroom. The bests chemical available on the market right now, and relatively safe for use...also being utilized by the mold remediation community...would be things with quaternary ammonium compounds (these do not smell like ammonia fortunately). Clorox brand aerosol cans contain two kinds of quat amm. So do most of the generic..always save type brands....look for words like Di Methyl ammonium chloride...as long as it has the word ammonium chloride in the active ingredient. You can also get some non aerosol surface cleaners with this ingredient...great for cleaning hard surfaces, floors, spraying down an entire bathroom before trying to to spore work...etc. GOOD LUCK!!!


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #7967780 - 02/02/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Dude... the money you spent on buying the tyvek suit and cleaning supplies could have went to a rubber maid container which could then be turned into a glove box... There are plenty of good glove box construction tek's on shroomery so I won't elaborate much on my dogs build...

second.

Spawning to bulk does not matter where you do it, kitchen/bathroom/basement/bedroom bulk spawn is pasteurized and there are natural occurring antibacterial agents (cant remember the scientific name) that occur in straw/hpoo/coir etc etc that will fight off competitor organisms but they're still weak enough that mycelium can colonize it.

So going through all that trouble in your bathroom is just absolutely pointless, hell, I smoke cigarette after cigarette while my dead grandma spawns to bulk.... There is never a issue.


That bathroom tek or whatever it is is another bit of mis-leading information here on shroomery, almost as good as Tahoe's information.
that guys a sociopath. Anyways, take care and don't stress it.


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: HybridprX]
    #7967832 - 02/02/08 08:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you'll spray the oust until a visible fog forms, then let it settle and go right to work, you'll be fine. I spray a 12 X 12 room for one minute with a can in each hand, then wait about ten minutes for it to settle before beginning work.

Tyvek suits and masks are great for sterile work with grains, but once colonized, spawning them to bulk only requires you to be clean, not sterile. Bacteria is not generally a contaminant of bulk substrates.
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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7967852 - 02/02/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

my tyvek suit when working with anything accept pcing and soaking just to be safe


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7968043 - 02/02/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
If you'll spray the oust until a visible fog forms, then let it settle and go right to work, you'll be fine. I spray a 12 X 12 room for one minute with a can in each hand, then wait about ten minutes for it to settle before beginning work.

Tyvek suits and masks are great for sterile work with grains, but once colonized, spawning them to bulk only requires you to be clean, not sterile. Bacteria is not generally a contaminant of bulk substrates.
RR




yeah i spray oust for about 10 20 sec in my 9x14 room then shut the door and go take a shower, by that time the oust has settled and most of the fumes are gone. when doing sterile work after i reenter the room i put on my suit and then wipe everything down with 10% bleach incuding my glove box, tools, and work area


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7968115 - 02/02/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
If you'll spray the oust until a visible fog forms, then let it settle and go right to work, you'll be fine.  I spray a 12 X 12 room for one minute with a can in each hand, RR




lol whoever made those cartoons of you should make 1 of you goin rambo style w/ oust.:borat:


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: flushme]
    #7969638 - 02/02/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry should also have clarified. The NIOSH mask is for me, not for the bulk work, though I do have procedure masks to wear as well. The oust makes me feel sick. I spent 15 dollars on it, brand new on ebay. I have a Lam Hood for grain work, you couldn't build a nice glovebox (nice at least in my mind) for what I spent on the mask and the suit, plus it looks fucking cool and makes me feel like I'm really doing something nice and counter-culture. Borderline industrial fetish, maybe... Anyway, was at costco and picked up Lysol brand concentrate and a good mister for the walls.

The room is going to be misted down on the walls w/ quat ammonium, table will be misted as well, Ousted into the air for a good minute or so, Shower taken, suit up, mask up, go into the fray.

The extra precaution maily arose because I had 24 tubs last run, did them like I normally do (in the bathroom, oust in air, being fairly careful, but not about precleaning, everyone is always like, blah blah blah its excess to clean much) and I lost all but 4 of them... so thats BAD. I lost them to different things which leads me to believe it was lack of cleanliness both on my part and on the environments part.

Thanks for the advice though everyone saying "overkill" was a little stupid. Glad that Tri-Glyco doesnt F anything, Thx for the advice on the Quat Ammo RR and Hybrid


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: MrChopChop]
    #7970982 - 02/02/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tyvek suits make for great jar covers.  Yeah, bulk i do by a trash can in the garage in the open air...I thought you were doing sporework.  Advice stays true for the effectiveness of quats though...they are good stuff.:eek:


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Re: Oust, Is more better? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
    #7970997 - 02/02/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ozium works better...a bit more expensive but 12 cans goes for about 2 years...Recommended by dr.s for hospital sanitation also


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