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Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread
#7966955 - 02/01/08 10:19 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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I can't get enough of the guy, he's fucking brilliant.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: appleorange]
#7967021 - 02/01/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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Yup, Andy Warhol loves his hamburgers.
"What’s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it..........."
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: PinballWizard]
#7967055 - 02/01/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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I have a warhol wallet...
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: kit_kat]
#7967068 - 02/01/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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wtf. i mean what is the symbolism here?
i'm trying to interpret this but i am kinda tipsy and kinda antisocial that's why im sittin here on the computer
so what's up.
i think really all of that packaging and shit is unnecessary.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: appleorange]
#7967242 - 02/01/08 11:44 PM (16 years, 3 hours ago) |
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what is brilliant about a man eating a cheeseburger? I don't understand the artist value of this clip?
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Psy Baba]
#7967246 - 02/01/08 11:47 PM (16 years, 3 hours ago) |
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he sucks
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Psy Baba]
#7967330 - 02/02/08 12:26 AM (16 years, 2 hours ago) |
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DuNeRaVeR said: what is brilliant about a man eating a cheeseburger? I don't understand the artist value of this clip?
It was a hamburger. You obviously didn't understand it.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: PinballWizard]
#7967534 - 02/02/08 02:12 AM (16 years, 53 minutes ago) |
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I love Andy Warhol. Incidentally, I have a dog with the exact same haircut. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: PinballWizard]
#7967541 - 02/02/08 02:18 AM (16 years, 47 minutes ago) |
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PinballWizard said:
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DuNeRaVeR said: what is brilliant about a man eating a cheeseburger? I don't understand the artist value of this clip?
It was a hamburger. You obviously didn't understand it.
no, I didn't at all. Do you care to elaborate? I would like to see the artistic value. I am not saying there is none, I just don't see it.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: appleorange]
#7968212 - 02/02/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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warhol made the finest art work i have ever encountered. and i have visited a lot of art museums and seen all the best, and a lot of art appreciation courses. i look at artists and musicians as filters, filters of perceiving what already excists. most peoples filters are all mucky and filled with garbage, but warhols was very clean.
the majority of his work can be seen in new york city.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7968256 - 02/02/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok i do like most of warhols stuff, and appreciate many different kinds of art, but this one seems a bit wierd for me.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7968261 - 02/02/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i believe near the end of his life, warhol never even laid a finger on any of the actual work, he had others do it for him, and realized that if he even touched the canvas or whatever that it would have impurities in it. he was just present (sometimes), and directed others how it should be done.
to me the most interesting work i have seen was his piss art. i think i saw some of that in minnesota or wisconsin, cant remember. cambells, brillo, flowers, basically anything that was silk printed like elvis and marilyn, he just could not make a mistake with those silk prints. and he might have invented those silver helium ballons.. even his earlier work of mostly sketches of women and designer clothes and shoes is all very distinctive to me.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Littleman]
#7968272 - 02/02/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am a bit foggy on everything i used to read about warhol, but the movies were probably some kind of twisted artist joke in a way. warhol tried to release a 24 hour movie once, i can not remember what the subject matter was, but it was probably something like a person just sitting and staring at a camera for a whole day.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Littleman]
#7968303 - 02/02/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have seen a lot of the most popular works. the way i look at it was that people like picaso and dali (both good) were trying to make art, when warhol did not try he just did it. dali and michaelagelo would spend years on one piece, warhol would just hang around all weird for a few mnutes and tell other people how to do it for him and then start another project. so he was a very productive artist (in a way). very interested in mass production and making a lot of dough and meeting famous people (or having famous people want to meet him is a better way of looking at it). he said that nobody wanted to meet him until he did not want to meet anyone. lol
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Littleman]
#7968318 - 02/02/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, I didn't at all. Do you care to elaborate? I would like to see the artistic value. I am not saying there is none, I just don't see it.
I'm glad you asked.
Andy Warhol made his career a commentary on "branding" and industrial manufacturing, and how these two forces impacted our lives as Americans. He began, as all artists do, by painting what they know. Warhol ate cambell's soup for lunch every day for twenty years, so he painted what he knew, the cambell's soup label. People liked this because they identified with the art.
At the time Warhol was coming to prominence, many artists in the post modern movement were criticizing American consumerism and mass culture. Warhol both celebrated and satirized it, replacing the old negativity and rejection of our own culture by American artists with an OWNERSHIP of the decisions we make and how mass production/mass culture impacts every aspect of our lives.
When you watch this video, you must keep in mind Warhol's larger body of work. The work you are most familiar with is probably his "branding" commentary, the Marilyn Monroe's or the soup cans repeated ad infinitum. The point of those paintings, succinctly, is that our world is full of images or personalities, full of BRANDS, that are repeated over and over again. We consume these brands, and the brands that we like say something about who we are and what we identify with. Those brands unify us as a culture (for good or bad), and they are repetetive and universal.
In this video, Warhol is turning his usual work on it's head. Usually, he makes art that shows how masses of people consume the same product. In this video, he becomes the consumer, one individual consuming a product. You are meant to relate to him directly, as an individual, as opposed to relating to someone else, or to a mass population. You can relate to Andy Warhol because he is doing the EXACT same thing you do. He struggles with the ketchup, he is satisfied but slightly non plussed by the burger.
This is meant to show that we are all a participant in our own culture. It makes our culture, which can seem branded and alienating and too massive to comprehend, more personalized. Andy Warhol, with this and other works, makes American culture more visible and identifiable. It also invites us to examine the culture and whether we agree with our participation in it.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: appleorange]
#7968361 - 02/02/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly I find everything he does to be juvenile. I get his point with his artwork, it basically smacks you in the face. It's cute I guess, worth seeing a few times. Then I move onto something with substance
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no, I didn't at all. Do you care to elaborate? I would like to see the artistic value. I am not saying there is none, I just don't see it.
I'm glad you asked.
Andy Warhol made his career a commentary on "branding" and industrial manufacturing, and how these two forces impacted our lives as Americans. He began, as all artists do, by painting what they know. Warhol ate cambell's soup for lunch every day for twenty years, so he painted what he knew, the cambell's soup label. People liked this because they identified with the art.
At the time Warhol was coming to prominence, many artists in the post modern movement were criticizing American consumerism and mass culture. Warhol both celebrated and satirized it, replacing the old negativity and rejection of our own culture by American artists with an OWNERSHIP of the decisions we make and how mass production/mass culture impacts every aspect of our lives.
When you watch this video, you must keep in mind Warhol's larger body of work. The work you are most familiar with is probably his "branding" commentary, the Marilyn Monroe's or the soup cans repeated ad infinitum. The point of those paintings, succinctly, is that our world is full of images or personalities, full of BRANDS, that are repeated over and over again. We consume these brands, and the brands that we like say something about who we are and what we identify with. Those brands unify us as a culture (for good or bad), and they are repetetive and universal.
In this video, Warhol is turning his usual work on it's head. Usually, he makes art that shows how masses of people consume the same product. In this video, he becomes the consumer, one individual consuming a product. You are meant to relate to him directly, as an individual, as opposed to relating to someone else, or to a mass population. You can relate to Andy Warhol because he is doing the EXACT same thing you do. He struggles with the ketchup, he is satisfied but slightly non plussed by the burger.
This is meant to show that we are all a participant in our own culture. It makes our culture, which can seem branded and alienating and too massive to comprehend, more personalized. Andy Warhol, with this and other works, makes American culture more visible and identifiable. It also invites us to examine the culture and whether we agree with our participation in it.
i agree with what you posted here. the thing i disagree with about Warhol's work is his assumption that the average public doesn't comprehend the consumer driven world we live in. i find that he is just stating the obvious with his work, nothing more, nothing less.
while i can see the artistic merit, i don't necessarily think what he did was amazing nor bad. i am just sort of indifferent towards him.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Syle]
#7969570 - 02/02/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im not a huge fan of Warhol either. I went to his museum im pittsburgh and thought most of it sucked (do i really need to see an entire gallery of neon painted dogs humping?).
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: teaparty]
#7969844 - 02/02/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i agree with what you posted here. the thing i disagree with about Warhol's work is his assumption that the average public doesn't comprehend the consumer driven world we live in. i find that he is just stating the obvious with his work, nothing more, nothing less.
I don't think he's being patronizing, but as an artist and social commentator it is his job to hold a mirror up to society. I don't think a lot of people really thought too deeply about the social implications of mass production and culture in the 1950's. Warhol's work had a lot to do with shaping the post modern movement, and many say he is the DEFINITIVE postmodernist.
And don't think he's just stating the obvious. His work is a celebration of culture, and the deeper you look into it, the more intricate and wonderful it becomes. Like American culture, it is something you can take at face value, something that is a "throwaway object", like a coke can or a hamburger wrapper, or something that has many layers.
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I suppose I see something in that. I guess for me in art, I look for something that catches my eye, or attention. Or something that has been done in a different way.
I could walk 1 block away into burger king and see 10 people doing the same thing. I relate to it so much that it is nothing outside of daily life, therefor no in a artistic sense to me.
To me it boils down to everyones perception of the world, and for some this is amazing art. Others, it is just a man eating a hamburger.
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Re: Andy Warhol Appreciation Thread [Re: Psy Baba]
#7970325 - 02/02/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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someone mentioned that 24 hour video he made, it was of the empire state building.
I can't put my finger on what exactly makes this video brilliant. i don't think it has anything to do with america, culture, or anything of that sort.
maybe after a couple joints and some tequila, I'll be able to articulate my thoughts more cohesively
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