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We Are All God
    #7966936 - 02/01/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

This seems to be a popular way of describing the way things are on

this board. I don't quite understand what is meant by this though. Is

this a way of expressing the the Hindu believe that we are all hiding

from our true selves? How do you define God? Is it being suggested

that one could imply any of the "supernatural powers" that

traditional gods are thought to have? I doubt that those of you who

believe this are actually suggesting this, but I am at a loss for

what you think of as God. So if you agree with my topic, could you

please define what it means for YOU?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7966981 - 02/01/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

to me it suggests that we all are composed of God, not that we necessarily are the one and only God...to love is to be God.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: kody260z]
    #7967007 - 02/01/08 10:35 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

What is God though? I'm pretty sure you don't mean we each have a little chunk of the Christian god in us, so what exactly does the saying mean to you?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: kody260z]
    #7967011 - 02/01/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

I agree.  We are God.

Everything is God.  However, we humans can draw and make cool paintings and shit... so thats like one of many ways for God to say "look what I can do!"

Humans (and other animals and extra-terrestrials.. who knows maybe plants and fungi too?  Or even stars and galaxies?) are God/the universe coming into the realization of itself. 

The universe/God expresses itself through us and everything.  But like I said, we can draw and do cartwheels and make music so that really shows something... God/universe expressing itself through us?  Not because we were chosen but our bodies happened to win the race (although this aint no race its a never ending marathon where everyone and everything is invited!)... we aren't the only ones you know! :tongue: Which really in the end is ALL about creation.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967017 - 02/01/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

Christian God, Jewish God, whatever. To me its the idea that the absolutely awe-inspiring, purely indescribable forces that created all of us, reside within us. We are not simply separate end products of a creative process - these forces of infinite awesomeness live on within us. In that way, we are each God.

Or at least that's how I see it.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7967039 - 02/01/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

Ginsing, if I understand you correctly, you are saying we are all part of creation, which means we are all God. If that is how you define God, what are the implications of this fact? TO me it seems that the difference between atheists and those who think that everything is God is that one thinks everything is holy, and one thinks nothing is holy. Relatively, neither group distinguishes between certain things being holy or not holy, so in practice the two are the same.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967050 - 02/01/08 10:49 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

I think atheists and theists's beliefs have nothing to do with holiness - atheists may very well think everything is holy, they just wouldn't attribute it to an outside entity.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: kody260z]
    #7967081 - 02/01/08 10:59 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

Ok, so you think there's a part of God outside as well as the one inside people?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967126 - 02/01/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago)

definitely, plants, animals, EVERYthing


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967709 - 02/02/08 06:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It makes logical sense, if you accept the following:

1) God is Omniscient
2) God is Omnipotent
3) God is Omnipresent

Therefore God is all knowing, is all powerful, and is everywhere at once. Now, humanity:

A) Humanity has knowledge.
B) Humanity has power.
C) Humanity lives on Earth.

God is all knowing, all powerful, and everywhere. Humans know things, wield limited power, and are spatially present. In order for all of this to be true, one must logically conclude that we are part of God. In order for us to have power, we must share in God's power. God has all the knowledge, and we have some knowledge, therefore we know but part of what God knows. God is everywhere, and we are here, so God is where we are, God is us, we are God. Each of us is a piece of God.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: pattern]
    #7967723 - 02/02/08 06:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

mind is all sifting together, no separation.
it means no illusion of a separate single self.
this does not mean the self did not exist.
it did not exist separately.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967919 - 02/02/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The totality of everything is God. So to me it means we are all part of the Deity, but not the totality of it.

Everything in you, around you and what makes you is God though.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7967933 - 02/02/08 09:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Quarryman said:
This seems to be a popular way of describing the way things are on

this board. I don't quite understand what is meant by this though. Is

this a way of expressing the the Hindu believe that we are all hiding

from our true selves? How do you define God? Is it being suggested

that one could imply any of the "supernatural powers" that

traditional gods are thought to have? I doubt that those of you who

believe this are actually suggesting this, but I am at a loss for

what you think of as God. So if you agree with my topic, could you

please define what it means for YOU?




Consider that one does not need belief in a deity. Everything is accomplished without need for that belief.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7967959 - 02/02/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is accomplished without need for that belief.





Really? Try crashing a commercial airline into a building and taking your own life along with everyone else on board without such a belief!

Try burning witches to death without such a belief.

Must I continue?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7967969 - 02/02/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Must I continue?

I don't think you can stop yourself.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7967988 - 02/02/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are you saying I must get the last word in? I can stop posting ANY TIME I WANT TO! :razz:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7967991 - 02/02/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You just don't want to. (read can't)


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7967997 - 02/02/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nuh uh.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7968223 - 02/02/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The mere existence of your consciousness and awareness is evidence that we are all one. It's totally arbitrary that you were born YOU and not someone (or everyone) else, given the fundamental nature of your experiences. Therefore, we must exist as a singular consciousness being pulled through everything that exists, including the weird little filters known as our brains.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7968238 - 02/02/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The mere existence of your consciousness and awareness is evidence that we are all one.

What? Maybe what you and I call "evidence" isn't exactly the same thingy.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968246 - 02/02/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How do you explain your awareness? Even if it's true that we have no free will and are only the product of our genes and our environment, you are still in there experiencing life, observing it at the very least. What is that awareness?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968274 - 02/02/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there could never be any objective evidence of a whole unified state of perception.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7968283 - 02/02/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have to explain it to discount your "evidence"

I don't know that a rock has "awareness" yet there it is. If you are looking for evidence that we are all one look to the building blocks of matter (tiny particles). Now that's some evidence.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968308 - 02/02/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

how about "subjective evidence", such as the feeling of bliss. this could be compared to the feeling of unity/wholeness/oneness that many of us have experienced. couldn't this be considered a form of evidence?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968309 - 02/02/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess it just has to do with the way you perceive your own perception... it makes sense to me. A rock doesn't have its "own" awareness in the same sense we do because it doesn't have a brain. That's pretty obvious.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: deranger]
    #7968338 - 02/02/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
how about "subjective evidence", such as the feeling of bliss. this could be compared to the feeling of unity/wholeness/oneness that many of us have experienced. couldn't this be considered a form of evidence?




Subjective evidence is poor evidence usually. As with the feeling of unity and bliss another can feel seperate and hate filled and call that evidence too.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7968349 - 02/02/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess it just has to do with the way you perceive your own perception... it makes sense to me. A rock doesn't have its "own" awareness in the same sense we do because it doesn't have a brain. That's pretty obvious.






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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7969172 - 02/02/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7969206 - 02/02/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like to think of it this way.

You are the God, but so is everyone else. What makes you special is that you are your own god and no other god can ever be you.

I don't use the word in any other context than this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7969320 - 02/02/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"You are the God, but so is everyone else."

Do you believe in a higher power than this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969512 - 02/02/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
"You are the God, but so is everyone else."

Do you believe in a higher power than this.




To me it's like a fractal. One can point any where and at the same time you're pointing at the entire whole.

Whatever is higher can go higher.
Whatever is lower can go lower.

But no matter how far one zooms in or out, the essence of "all" reveals itself at every step. :hypno:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7970746 - 02/02/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




I agree with this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7971842 - 02/03/08 05:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7972123 - 02/03/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




What would be more meaningful? Saying that God is a big guy with a white beard?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: pattern]
    #7972358 - 02/03/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What would be more meaningful? Saying that God is a big guy with a white beard?




Well I don't think a God exists, so obviously I do not think there is any sufficient description of an all powerful deity.

However, if I did believe in God, I wouldn't reduce him to what is basically a poetic way of describing human consciousness.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7972549 - 02/03/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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However, if I did believe in God, I wouldn't reduce him to what is basically a poetic way of describing human consciousness.




If you did believe in God, what would be your definition?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7974226 - 02/03/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




The concept of God really is meaningless.:thumbup:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7974433 - 02/03/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

we are all seperate organisms fighting to stay alive.

consciousness is most likely tied into various parts of the brain working together to create your conscious awareness of the world and thought processes. how does that in any way demonstrate that at one time we came from a universal consciousness called god, or that we will return to it when we die.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: evolprim]
    #7974442 - 02/03/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it doesn't when you assume that the seat of consciousness can be located in the physical body of the organism.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7974458 - 02/03/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats an assumption ive made. i could be wrong, but the fact that ingesting a substance, or somehow damaging the structure of the brain can severely impair or alter thought processes and awareness, is good proof to me that there is no mind brain duality.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: evolprim]
    #7974516 - 02/03/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i assume that the brain is only very concentrated area of consciousness, and i tend to think that the mind is everywhere in the body, in the membranes, in the cells, even deep down in the dna.

i happen to believe this because i find myself unable to locate a definite "I" in one location. yet of course, i may be wrong. :smile:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7974543 - 02/03/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you may be wrong and you may be right. it kinda goes down to what you think of as "I". if I is your personal agency. well even neuroscience is fuzzy on those topics, some believe in hard determinism, some see a middle ground between neuronal coding, and the ability to still make choices but to my knowledge those theories dont present the idea that there is a control tower in your brain where "you" look out at the world. its like a lot all the parts of the brain contribute to one part of the process which makes "you" you.


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