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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968246 - 02/02/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How do you explain your awareness? Even if it's true that we have no free will and are only the product of our genes and our environment, you are still in there experiencing life, observing it at the very least. What is that awareness?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968274 - 02/02/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there could never be any objective evidence of a whole unified state of perception.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7968283 - 02/02/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have to explain it to discount your "evidence"

I don't know that a rock has "awareness" yet there it is. If you are looking for evidence that we are all one look to the building blocks of matter (tiny particles). Now that's some evidence.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968308 - 02/02/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

how about "subjective evidence", such as the feeling of bliss. this could be compared to the feeling of unity/wholeness/oneness that many of us have experienced. couldn't this be considered a form of evidence?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7968309 - 02/02/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess it just has to do with the way you perceive your own perception... it makes sense to me. A rock doesn't have its "own" awareness in the same sense we do because it doesn't have a brain. That's pretty obvious.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: deranger]
    #7968338 - 02/02/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
how about "subjective evidence", such as the feeling of bliss. this could be compared to the feeling of unity/wholeness/oneness that many of us have experienced. couldn't this be considered a form of evidence?




Subjective evidence is poor evidence usually. As with the feeling of unity and bliss another can feel seperate and hate filled and call that evidence too.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7968349 - 02/02/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess it just has to do with the way you perceive your own perception... it makes sense to me. A rock doesn't have its "own" awareness in the same sense we do because it doesn't have a brain. That's pretty obvious.






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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7969172 - 02/02/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7969206 - 02/02/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like to think of it this way.

You are the God, but so is everyone else. What makes you special is that you are your own god and no other god can ever be you.

I don't use the word in any other context than this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7969320 - 02/02/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"You are the God, but so is everyone else."

Do you believe in a higher power than this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7969512 - 02/02/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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"You are the God, but so is everyone else."

Do you believe in a higher power than this.




To me it's like a fractal. One can point any where and at the same time you're pointing at the entire whole.

Whatever is higher can go higher.
Whatever is lower can go lower.

But no matter how far one zooms in or out, the essence of "all" reveals itself at every step. :hypno:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7970746 - 02/02/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




I agree with this.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Quarryman]
    #7971842 - 02/03/08 05:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7972123 - 02/03/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




What would be more meaningful? Saying that God is a big guy with a white beard?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: pattern]
    #7972358 - 02/03/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What would be more meaningful? Saying that God is a big guy with a white beard?




Well I don't think a God exists, so obviously I do not think there is any sufficient description of an all powerful deity.

However, if I did believe in God, I wouldn't reduce him to what is basically a poetic way of describing human consciousness.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7972549 - 02/03/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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However, if I did believe in God, I wouldn't reduce him to what is basically a poetic way of describing human consciousness.




If you did believe in God, what would be your definition?


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Re: We Are All God [Re: g00ru]
    #7974226 - 02/03/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You can say God=Universe or Human Consciousness=God if you want, but it doesn't really mean anything.

It alters the definition of God to make it possible, but in the process makes the concept of God meaningless.




The concept of God really is meaningless.:thumbup:


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Re: We Are All God [Re: Icelander]
    #7974433 - 02/03/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

we are all seperate organisms fighting to stay alive.

consciousness is most likely tied into various parts of the brain working together to create your conscious awareness of the world and thought processes. how does that in any way demonstrate that at one time we came from a universal consciousness called god, or that we will return to it when we die.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: evolprim]
    #7974442 - 02/03/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it doesn't when you assume that the seat of consciousness can be located in the physical body of the organism.


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Re: We Are All God [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7974458 - 02/03/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats an assumption ive made. i could be wrong, but the fact that ingesting a substance, or somehow damaging the structure of the brain can severely impair or alter thought processes and awareness, is good proof to me that there is no mind brain duality.


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