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If the US brings all troops home tomorrow is the world a better place?
#7966921 - 02/01/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Yes/No and Why?
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7966963 - 02/01/08 10:22 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Anybody study history in college here?
When an oppressive force leaves, it generally leaves a space to fill for other nefarious and controlling parties.
If the US wants to help the world, it will need to inspire the middle east to help itself. How should we do that? START ADMITTING THAT WE ARE ALL ONE PEOPLE.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7966969 - 02/01/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Recall our troops from just Iraq or ALL 700 + locations where they are deployed throughout the world?
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: zorbman]
#7967032 - 02/01/08 10:44 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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Nope, from everywhere.
ala Ron Paul.
Curious to see how many people think thats a great idea.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7967054 - 02/01/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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who gives a shit about other countries
it really isn't our role to police the globe.
we should be like most other countries and worry about ourselves.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#7967123 - 02/01/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 4 hours ago) |
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look at vietnam they said when we left that it would create chaos it created the opposite look at somalia we went in with humanitarian effort fucked it up, then left and it was better off that way iraqis tell us to leave them alone, they can create democracy on their own we cant go around forcing our way of life at the tip of a bayonet
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7967303 - 02/02/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 3 hours ago) |
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I don't know what it is that everyone is so afraid would happen if we used OUR military to protect OUR nation.....
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Mezcal]
#7967450 - 02/02/08 01:29 AM (16 years, 2 hours ago) |
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Mezcal said: Anybody study history in college here?
When an oppressive force leaves, it generally leaves a space to fill for other nefarious and controlling parties.
If the US wants to help the world, it will need to inspire the middle east to help itself. How should we do that? START ADMITTING THAT WE ARE ALL ONE PEOPLE.
All one people staring down the barrel of one gun held by one government? No thank you....
When Canada liberated Holland from the Nazis, they were jubilant and thankful to the Canadian soldiers. They all got laid, then went back home. No nefarious governments rolled in. We were all happy after it. Now Canadians can go there and smoke pot and get loved up all the time.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7967462 - 02/02/08 01:35 AM (16 years, 1 hour ago) |
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depends on what your definition of better is.
it makes the world better for the troops that get to be home with their families
but on the other side
it would be bad if you happen to run a fortune 500 company because now the military isn't being used so that you can make more money.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: ledfut]
#7968072 - 02/02/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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How about if you are a S. Korean?
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7968086 - 02/02/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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South Korea is more than capable of taking care of itself, and it is highly unlikely that the north would invade them.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: SoY]
#7968136 - 02/02/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you want to believe that, thats fine.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7968718 - 02/02/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mezcal said: Anybody study history in college here?
When an oppressive force leaves, it generally leaves a space to fill for other nefarious and controlling parties.
If the US wants to help the world, it will need to inspire the middle east to help itself. How should we do that? START ADMITTING THAT WE ARE ALL ONE PEOPLE.
I am a senior and a history major. Your argument makes no sense from a historical standpoint.
What you are referring to is a "power vacuum". While this can be a problem, even the most perfunctory glance at history would tell you that this issue is usually solved in short order. The power vacuum argument is usually used by imperialist powers who wish to continue to illegitimately occupy a nation. They argue that staying will only incur disaster for the local population.
This is a short term argument, as power vacuums are almost always filled immediately. Government of the Iraqis is Iraq's problem, not ours, and to suggest otherwise would be patronizing and disgusting to the nation of Iraq. We don't need to "inspire" anyone. This comment smacks of racism. People are perfectly capable of inspiring themselves. I'm sorry if this offends your sensibilities about middle-eastern people, but they do have brains just as big as ours, and can keep in mind their interests in establishing a government. Will this government look like ours? No. Will we like it? Probably not, but the U.S. government post-pull out will likely praise it to high heaven and sell it missiles to get a crack at its oil fields.
I don't understand your idea of "acknowledging that we are all one". How will this policy be implemented? Will there be some sort of global government with more police power? Or will it be a government more akin to the U.N., but with more economic clout?
I really don't understand what you are saying. I don't think you have studied much history. Simply acknowledging a basic truism won't do jack shit to help anyone. From an ideological standpoint it won't help to "inspire" people. People are inspired by their own interests, beliefs, and heroes, not some vague ideological standpoint of the U.S. government. The world doesn't look to the U.S. for inspiration anymore, they look to the U.S. for warning signs of impending cluster bombs.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: kriminalelement]
#7968779 - 02/02/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Responding to the actual question, I think that yes, it would be a better place. Giving people dignity and respect would far outweigh the potential "benefits" of our current policy.
That said, if for some reason people should, by a VAST majority, want us to occupy their country for the safety and good of their people, we should make an attempt to help. But even in the worst of situations I think occupation only digs a hole for Americans, the U.S. government, and the people we so patronizingly want to "help".
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Coaster]
#7969065 - 02/02/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coaster said: look at vietnam they said when we left that it would create chaos it created the opposite
That's true. The communists murdered every dissenter.Quote:
look at somalia we went in with humanitarian effort fucked it up, then left and it was better off that way
Somalia is still fuckedQuote:
iraqis tell us to leave them alone, they can create democracy on their own we cant go around forcing our way of life at the tip of a bayonet
When they tell us that we should go.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: kriminalelement]
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969103 - 02/02/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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When they tell us that we should go.
watch the whole thing
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Coaster]
#7969114 - 02/02/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coaster said: look at vietnam they said when we left that it would create chaos it created the opposite
Umm yea, I guess I liked the mass slaughter too after the US left.
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Coaster said: look at somalia we went in with humanitarian effort fucked it up, then left and it was better off that way
We fucked it up? It was already FUCKED and it still is FUCKED.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: downforpot]
#7969139 - 02/02/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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downforpot u no that every american life lost in the vietnam war was completely pointless right, we could have done the same in peace than what we did in war
and yes somalia is still fucked, but all we did was go in try to help them, they didnt want our help even though we had the right intentions, but we had casualties and it was all without benefits
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Coaster]
#7969325 - 02/02/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coaster said: downforpot u no that every american life lost in the vietnam war was completely pointless right, we could have done the same in peace than what we did in war
You are ignoring the fact that it didn't just become peaceful after we left. You are changing the subject. So saying that it all became peaceful after we left is a LIE.
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Coaster said: and yes somalia is still fucked, but all we did was go in try to help them, they didnt want our help even though we had the right intentions, but we had casualties and it was all without benefits
Yes and you are ignoring the original point which stated that we fucked it up. It was already fucked.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home tomorrow is the world a better place? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7969377 - 02/02/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Robert Trahan: Here’s why the Iraqis want U.S. to stay
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - As a veteran of the first Gulf War’s Operation Desert Shield/Storm and the current conflict’s Operation Iraqi Freedom, I witnessed the people of Iraq and the level of violence change over a 14-year period.
Following Desert Storm, I was in northern Iraq as part of the humanitarian relief effort called Operation Provide Comfort when we informed the Iraqi Kurds that we were pulling out. I saw the fear in their eyes and saw the hope they had for a better future vanish. They knew far better than we did what lay in store for them.
We were welcomed by the people of Iraq (especially the Kurds) in 1991, and once the surrender was in effect, we had very little fear of any insurgent activities or attacks. I actually went into Iraqi occupied territory south of the northern “no-fly zone” on a mission with the United Nations.
We went in unarmed, with no body armor, under the U.N. flag and, apart from some uneasiness at Iraqi army checkpoints, felt relatively safe considering the environment we were in. That mission would be suicide to repeat today.
The dirty little secret that the average American does not know, and does not see from most media outlets today, is that the Iraqi people are glad we came back and removed Saddam Hussein from power. They want a chance at freedom and will continue to work hard to put a viable government in place.
I had the privilege to watch as people stood in line for hours, despite the threat of attacks by insurgents, to cast their first vote in free elections in 2005. The Iraqi people understood and appreciated what a huge opportunity this was for them. Despite the threats, they took a stand for freedom.
Contrast this to the low voter turnout we have become accustomed to here in the United States, where people don’t take the time to exercise this most valuable right in the safety of their local precincts. Give the Iraqis support and time, and they will establish an island of democracy in the Middle East.
We arrived in Iraq in 2003 with a credibility problem of our own making that began by leaving Hussein in power in 1991. The Iraqi people need to know we support them and will see them through to the end this time.
The damage to the credibility of the United States would be tremendous if we abandon the Iraqi people, and not just in the Middle East. We would also leave the Iraqis to face a power vacuum that would be exploited by Iran, Hamas, al Qaeda, Hezbollah and others among the pantheon of radical Islamist groups committed to Jihad.
Gen. David Petraeus’ surge plan is working, as news organizations are finally (if not grudgingly) beginning to report. We must afford him and his commanders the time and resources to institute his plan effectively. Then an adequate judgment can be made of the results.
For our Congress to continually demand arbitrary troop withdrawal dates, threaten to cut off funds and fight our president and military commanders in the field at every turn does nothing but embolden our enemies and steel them with the resolve to continue their insurgent activities. They see our disunity as a weakness and an unwillingness to see this through to the appropriate end, which for us can only be victory.
Our history in Vietnam and Somalia should have taught us that military decisions need to be made by the military commanders with boots on the ground in theater, not by politicians in Washington.
Our own government struggled from the 1776 creation of the Declaration of Independence, through the fighting of the Revolutionary War, to finally ratifying our Constitution beginning in September 1787. How would our founders have done with France looking over their shoulder, telling them to hurry up?
It has not been 11 years for the Iraqi people, and they face issues, problems and situations never imagined by our great forefathers. We must understand that it will take the Iraqi government some time, but with patience and support, it can prevail.
Robert Trahan is retired from the Army National Guard and works for a defense contractor at Fort Belvoir.
http://www.examiner.com/a-909358~Robert_Trahan__Here_s_why_the_Iraqis_want_U_S__to_stay.html
Check out what some of these Iraqi-Americans are saying about Iraq and Saddam Hussein:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/iraqi_3-18.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/n03282003_200303288.html
Bush meets with Iraqi-Americans: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/images/20030428-3_d042803-515h.html http://tinyurl.com/ef7zh
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1705
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstory.cfm?storyID=3545668&thesection=news&thesubsection=world http://tinyurl.com/okpmc
Anti-war sentiments prevail at forum
by Sean McGuern Staff Writer
Apr. 17, 2003
Congressman Steny Hoyer defended his backing of the war in Iraq to about 100 constituents Tuesday at the Greenbelt Community Center during a two-and-a-half hour forum.
The 11-term Democratic Congressman said that while he has not supported many of the Bush Administration's international policies, he continues to stand behind Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Cautious not to appear as a "Bush apologist," Hoyer said it was appropriate for the president to seek backing from the United Nations, and that the failure of the U.N. Security Council to agree on a resolution did not mandate a delay in military tactics. "The United Nations decided to not enforce its own judgment," Hoyer said. "In many ways, [it] made the world a more dangerous place."
Several audience members expressed their concerns that the adaptation of what they perceived as a preemptive strike doctrine sets a dangerous precedent.
Hoyer agreed, saying that an international adoption of such a policy would have grievous consequences, but insisted that the United States acted to forestall a global threat.
Hoyer said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies last month that since the adoption of Resolution 1441 by the international community, United States and British warplanes patrolling the southern no-fly zone have been fired at more that 200 times. "I reject any assertion that an armed initiative against Iraq at this time is the implementation of such a preemptive strike," Hoyer said at the time, but rather "a response to military provocation repeatedly taken by Iraq." He added that a military campaign was an enforcement measure designed to foster "peace and security."
While the majority of the audience members commended Hoyer Monday for his candidness and ability to avoid terse political rhetoric, few reacted genially to his position that the United States has a moral obligation to confront human rights violations throughout the world.
"You are my representative, but you do not represent me," Adelphi resident Ann Stoddard told the Democratic Whip.
"You can tell me what to vote," Hoyer replied, "but you cannot tell me what to think."
At one point in the discussion, Hoyer said the death of an Iraqi citizen was unfortunate but he did not waiver in his position on the war.
"I believe in a robust foreign policy and confronting tyrannical governments," Hoyer told the crowd.
Others were more pragmatic in their opposition to the war. Takoma Park resident Alan Mattlage noted that while the United States has spent approximately $80 billion on this operation in addition to the $400 billion allotted by Congress last year for the military, many states including Maryland continue to struggle with budget shortfalls.
When Mattlage said that money would be better spent on health care, affordable housing and education, those gathered responded by stomping their feet, clapping their hands and whistling.
A handful of audience members who spoke in favor of the war were jeered. Jerry Dancis of Greenbelt said that the United States was justified in its action, and that the unfortunate death of Iraqi civilians would ultimately save more lives. "The casualties are considerably less than the number Saddam has inflicted in the past or would inflict if we allowed him to remain," Dancis said to boisterous objections.
In closing, Hoyer paraphrased the political theorist Edmond Burke.
"What [representatives] owe [their] constituents is our best judgment," he said.
E-mail Sean McGuern at smcguern@gazette.net.
http://www.gazette.net/200316/greenbelt/news/154275-1.html
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Re: If the US brings all troops home tomorrow is the world a better place? [Re: Luddite]
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: downforpot]
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You are ignoring the fact that it didn't just become peaceful after we left. You are changing the subject. So saying that it all became peaceful after we left is a LIE.
no it wasnt immediately peaceful its true, but was the american lives lost really worth it? no way, the american occupation only made the situation worse, you dont understand that sending troops to create peace is counterproductive
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Yes and you are ignoring the original point which stated that we fucked it up. It was already fucked.
ya it was already fucked, then we came in and fucked our efforts of trying to help them out. we tried to help them, but in reality we made it worse. was our cost in american lives worth it? no it was already fucked, and then we came in, lost some men, left, then it was still fucked. how was that worth it
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: ledfut]
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who is this character?
and why do you make your replies similar to mine?
as in.. double spaced?
*intrigued*
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Coaster]
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no it wasnt immediately peaceful its true, but was the american lives lost really worth it? no way, the american occupation only made the situation worse, you dont understand that sending troops to create peace is counterproductive
That's not what we are talking about. You are changing the subjects. The fact is that it didn't become peaceful after we left. Took some time...
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Coaster said: ya it was already fucked, then we came in and fucked our efforts of trying to help them out. we tried to help them, but in reality we made it worse. was our cost in american lives worth it? no it was already fucked, and then we came in, lost some men, left, then it was still fucked. how was that worth it
Again, you are changing the subject. You were talking about how we fucked it up. We didn't fuck shit up, it was already fucked.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: downforpot]
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um ok dood i now conclude that u r the 1 that is lost
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Coaster]
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No, he is accurately pointing out your astonishingly mushy thinking and utter disregard for history.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Somalia isn't the point here anyways.
No matter what anyone says in response to the original question, it's all just speculation anyways. Either we leave and shit goes even more awry than it is presently or we leave and Muslims rejoice and leave us the fuck alone. The original is probably considered more realistic based on precedent, but the latter can't be ruled out b/c there is no scenario showing cases in which it is not true.
Mostly, people are just spouting party line rhetoric.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home tomorrow is the world a better place? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7969808 - 02/02/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No. If it isn't U.S. it would be someother countries troops in any given place.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Redstorm]
#7969814 - 02/02/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Basically after we leave there will probably be an escalation of the civil war and maybe a genocide. Saudi Arabia might step in and since we have already been selling them weapons on top of a new arms deal just signed... well... you know. Let them fight it out, slaughter eachother.
Sunnis and Shias have been slaughtering each other for centuries anyway.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#7969858 - 02/02/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
drkrobotnik said: who is this character?
and why do you make your replies similar to mine?
as in.. double spaced?
*intrigued*
i didn't even realize it. i always do that. i guess we're both just cool like that.
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Re: If the US brings all troops home, is the world a better place tomorrow? [Re: Redstorm]
#7970056 - 02/02/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Somalia isn't the point here anyways.
No matter what anyone says in response to the original question, it's all just speculation anyways. Either we leave and shit goes even more awry than it is presently or we leave and Muslims rejoice and leave us the fuck alone. The original is probably considered more realistic based on precedent, but the latter can't be ruled out b/c there is no scenario showing cases in which it is not true.
Mostly, people are just spouting party line rhetoric.
Agreed, again.
But I think there is little more than 0% chance of the latter scenario happening.
I don't see how if we aren't there they are going to magically love us. We're still beaming our heathen television and media all over the globe and corrupting the minds of their wholesome children and perpetrating other acts of Godless Capitalism.
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