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OfflineRosettaStoned
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Do you really want to surrender to THIS?
    #7966157 - 02/01/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago)

No more hebeas corpus, no more right to defend yourself. Here we have a perfect example of what america has become. Secret trial behind closed doors with no one to speak on your behalf.

Re-enact a Blackwater massacre, go to jail. Commit a massacre, walk around freely and perhaps never go to jail

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Last week in Currituck County, N.C., Superior Court Judge Russell Duke presided over the final step in securing the first criminal conviction stemming from the deadly actions of Blackwater Worldwide, the Bush administration's favorite mercenary company. Lest you think you missed some earth-shifting, breaking news, hold on a moment. The "criminals" in question were not the armed thugs who gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians and wounded more than 20 others in Baghdad's Nisour Square last September. They were seven nonviolent activists who had the audacity to stage a demonstration at the gates of Blackwater's 7,000-acre private military base in North Carolina to protest the actions of mercenaries acting with impunity -- and apparent immunity -- in their names and those of every American

A month after the Nisour Square massacre, on Oct. 20, a group of about 50 activists gathered outside Blackwater's gates in Moyock, N.C. There, they reenacted the Nisour Square shooting and staged a "die-in," involving a vehicle painted with bullet marks and blood. The activists stained their clothing with fake blood and dramatized the deadly shooting spree. Some of the demonstrators marked Blackwater's large welcome sign -- with the company's bear claw in a sniper scope logo -- with red hand prints. The demonstrators believed these "would be a much more appropriate logo for Blackwater," according to Baggarly. "We're all responsible for what is happening in Iraq. We all have bloody hands." It took only moments for the local police to respond to the protest, the first ever at Blackwater's headquarters. In the end, seven were arrested.

But District Court Judge Edgar Barnes would have none of it. So outraged was he at Baggarly, the first of the defendants to appear before him that day, that the judge cleared the court following his conviction. No spectators, no family members, no journalists, no defense witnesses remained. The other six activists were tried in total secrecy -- well, secret to everyone except the prosecutors, sheriffs, government witnesses and one Blackwater official. Judge Barnes swiftly tried the remaining six activists behind closed doors and convicted them all.




http://www.alternet.org/rights/75244/


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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7966273 - 02/01/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago)

while it is a shame that these individuals seemingly peaceful protest ended with a conviction, they did not lose their rights to habeas corpus (they were charged and convicted), and that article did not say anything about their right to legal representation being stripped away. i don't know if these defendants tried to get a jury trial, but they prolly should have.

Think about it this way...if you were arrested/ticketed for trespassing in a cemetery or private wooded area and you step in front of a judge philosophizing about how individualized ownership of mother nature is an abomination, that judge would have every right to bitch slap you w/ contempt.

they even were granted a right to appeal and get a new trial.

so the lesson here is don't mess with hanging judges from the ole southland.


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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: MrBump]
    #7966513 - 02/01/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 6 hours ago)

Banishing defense witnesses is legal? How the fuck are you to defend yourself if you can't bring in a witness? And from the sound of it there was no loud outburst or other obvious reason for a secretive trial behind closed doors.

Blackwater wanted this trial to be closed and it happened. These people were denied rights granted them by our constitution; the right to a public trial. To say these people didn't want a jury trial seems almost laughable. That was there whole point was to "put Blackwater on trial". This is a fucking disgrace and so are the disgusting pigs that murder for hire.

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When their day in court arrived, on Dec. 5, the activists intended to put Blackwater on trial, something the Justice Department, the military and the courts have systematically failed to do.

It's not unusual for a judge to clear a courtroom when there is a disruption by the public. Nor is it rare for judges to try to prevent activists from turning the tables and attempting to put the government -- or in this case a mercenary company -- on trial. But witnesses that day report that there was no disruption -- and the defendants say they were immediately cut off when they strayed from the narrow scope of the trespass charge to discuss Blackwater's actions or the war. So why clear the courtroom? That may be a question for Judge Barnes in the end, but it's hard not to view his conduct through the same veil of secrecy that shrouds all of Blackwater's actions -- and the seemingly endless lengths to which the Bush administration will go to protect Blackwater.





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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7967205 - 02/01/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 3 hours ago)

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These people were denied rights granted them by our constitution; the right to a public trial.




I'm tired and may be mistaken, but where in the constitution does it say anything about public trials?


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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7967392 - 02/02/08 01:02 AM (16 years, 1 hour ago)

> I'm tired and may be mistaken, but where in the constitution does it say anything about public trials?

6th amendment... lemme look it up real quick:

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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.




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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: Seuss]
    #7967943 - 02/02/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Huh. I really should have known that. I always remembered the speedy part, but I guess I never noticed the public part.


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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7967993 - 02/02/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The Constitution doesn't matter anymore anyways; the federal government has existed beyond that realm for decades. :shrug:


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Re: Do you really want to surrender to THIS? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7968056 - 02/02/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The Constitution doesn't matter anymore anyways; the federal government has existed beyond that realm for decades. :shrug:




Sad but true


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