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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: afoaf]
#7971962 - 02/03/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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afoaf said: they were retarded?
Arnt they all?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7972013 - 02/03/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The ones initiating the violence in Iraq these days have for a very long time been almost exclusively foreign operatives (Saudis, Syrians. Yemenis, etc.), and even many of the few remaining Iraqi-born ones have been members of a foreign organization -- Al Qaeda. Yes, every now and then a couple of al Sadr's lads act up a bit, but to all intents and purposes these days (last year or so) the remaining Iraqi violence is pretty much an Al Qaeda thing.
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So yeah... leaving Iraq against the wishes of the constitutionally elected Iraqi government would certainly be surrendering to Al Qaeda.
And what would staying against the wish of the people who make up this democracy be?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972025 - 02/03/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Remote-controlled explosives strapped to two mentally retarded women detonated , killing at least 73 people
surrender? no
use the same tactics with Iraqi civilians? certainly
systematically exterminate all life in Iraq city by city? it's worked for american government in the past, make sure the women and children are first, you dont want little Houshmand to grow up and avenge daddy's death and we certainly cant have the little girls breeding and producing more jr. terrorists
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7972044 - 02/03/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have you been smorking blobbigans again?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972047 - 02/03/08 08:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't surrender!
Also, if we could get all the retarded muslims to blow themselves up away from other people then it could solve a lot of problems.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972071 - 02/03/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Have you been smorking blobbigans again?
I always smork sumpin'
seriously, look at how sucsessful the military was against unarmed civilians at Wounded Knee, the didnt do well against the armed 'terrorists' at Little Big Horn but that's because all of those guys were grown ups with fighting in mind.
as long as our military shoots and kills everything in it's path the terrorists dont stand a chance with suicide bomber because there wont be anyone left to do it. I know the secrets to winning the wars, the government just needs to accept that genocide is what america really wants, it's the reason Andrew Jackson is proudly displayed on some american currency
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7972111 - 02/03/08 09:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK OK, back to OTD with you. It was nice to have you walked around the yard here but it's time for medication and a little nappy. Maybe some nice jello. Bye now.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972132 - 02/03/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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our military doesnt fight well against armed combatants, it's been proven time and again, in viet nam and korea we lost our asses, here it is again, the only reason we 'won' WW2 is because we started nuking civilian populations and see how well it worked... if it's not broke, dont fix it
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972147 - 02/03/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you're whipping them up into a frenzy Zap 
We need to get Blackwater, Exxon, and Halliburton involved in this thread! (that would send them over the edge. )
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7972169 - 02/03/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: What if someone is trying to kill your neighbor and he asks for your help, will you just say "No, we're okay over here."
In that case, the best thing to do would be to blow up your neighbor's house, then dance around in the yard singing about what a great hero you are and then make a lot of money rebuilding the blown up house.
Also, several of your poorer neighbors are being robbed, but who gives a shit about them.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7972227 - 02/03/08 10:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Funny, I didn't see either a "yes" or a "no" in that whole irrelevant diatribe. Thanks for playing and keep on touching yourself.
I have a "yes" from Icelander, a "no" from Die Commie, a "no" from Redstorm and basically total bullshit and obfuscation from everybody else.
Yes or no. I've read your and several other people's speeches. Now answer the fucking question.
The premise for your question wasn't intellectual, it was rhetoric. However, you were ripped a new hole in this thread and now you're just trying to save face, going around like an embarrassed kid pretending to tally yes' and nos as if they lead up to something. You're as much an emotional infant as you are an intellectual one, and while you're deserving of pity, it doesn't seem as though you're getting any.
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vintage_gonzo said: Pick on the easy one zappa.
They're all easy.
Yup, things are easy to ignore when you have fingers in your ear like a baby, while you whine about not getting an irrelevant yes or no from people whose views are pretty clear to begin with. But it'd be foolish to expect more from a boy who emphatically questions whether the Navy has recorded monitoring aboard their ships, doesn't think oil has anything to do with Russian political power, and wears woman's clothing.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Disco Cat]
#7972246 - 02/03/08 10:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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He is gay.
He is jewish.
He is a douche.
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Disco Cat said: ZAP wears woman's clothing.
WOW!
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7972348 - 02/03/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred,
Your last reply on surrender applying doesn't fit with any dictionary definition.
We do not own Iraq. No one has been using force to try and take something from us that is ours over there. Iraq is not our country to surrender anything of ours up too.
However, we forcefully took out their leader. Some have fought against us doing that. We won that mission anyway. We did remove a horrible dictator, even though it is not our job to do that. We did insure that he does not have, nor will be selling WPDs to bad people to be used against us.
Mission Accomplished was declared by our government years ago.
Now, we are just trying to deal with the new government to sign over oil rights in exchange for rebuilding their country and keeping a force there to tackle those opposed to their oil being taken away from them.
Sure, we can surrender up the goal of getting rights to that oil shifted over to Western Companies, and if we do that, we don't need to keep our Military there to protect it.
And if we surrender to the that goal, we have lost nothing, we didn't already have. Iraq, it's government, it's oil were never ours to loose to the insurgents.
Our Military being used to secure oil rights for Western companies is "wrong". Of course insurgents over there are fighting against us over there to keep us from doing that.
We are weakening our own economy and Military over this, when we could just continue trading with others who have oil while we work to get ourselves energy Independent.
Al Quedas goal, according the latest release from Al Jezeera, is to destroy our economy. They are winning at that goal for as long as we keep spending and borrowing money trying to get rights to that oil for Western companies. The quicker we stop spending everything we don't have to spend over seas, the quicker Al Queda looses in their Mission.
If we keep this up, and end up with a destroyed economy, damaged Military, and bankrupt, we will have to give up all of our bases over seas and our plan to modernize eastern nations, because we will have no money or Military left to do it with. What a perfect time for a new major attack on our soil then too just for pay back shitz and giggles.
Why not just stop the spending over seas, get our economy strong again, beef up our Military defence at home, work at getting energy independent, and shut down the majority of our bases overseas and quit trying to modernize countries whose citizens don't want to be like us or under our influence?
We have been the aggressor here trying to occupy and take from others what is not ours. Surrender does not leave us with a loss, but rather a HUGE gain from our current standing to be incurred if we do it ASAP.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7972455 - 02/03/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred
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Your last reply on surrender applying doesn't fit with any dictionary definition.
It most certainly does.
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We do not own Iraq.
Neither do the 'splodeydopes the coalition troops are fighting.
Iraq is at present the main battlefield between medieval theocratic murderers (that would be Al Qaeda and their ilk) and democratic secular security providers (that would be the coalition troops and the security forces of the Iraqi government). Allowing Al Qaeda to force a withdrawal of coalition forces -- against the express wishes of the legitimate government of Iraq -- is of course a surrender. Don't be silly.
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No one has been using force to try and take something from us that is ours over there. Iraq is not our country to surrender anything of ours up too.
Do the countries of the coalition troops have the right to assist allies who request their aid? Yes or no.
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Now, we are just trying to deal with the new government to sign over oil rights in exchange for rebuilding their country and keeping a force there to tackle those opposed to their oil being taken away from them.
Jiggy, for one so prolific in her writings, you are remarkably uninformed. Those of us who actually follow the news are well aware that the Iraqi government has been almost from day one structuring a revenue-sharing plan to distribute oil revenues equitably to all parts of Iraq. We (those who follow the news) are certainly aware that the Iraq government has not "signed over" any oil rights, nor has any coalition member country government asked that they do so, nor does any coalition member country government expect them to do so.
There's no need for me to address your next several paragraphs, based as they are on your false assumption that "it's all about the oil".
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Why not just stop the spending over seas, get our economy strong again, beef up our Military defence at home, work at getting energy independent, and shut down the majority of our bases overseas and quit trying to modernize countries whose citizens don't want to be like us or under our influence?
There are arguments for this approach (and arguments against it, too) but that has nothing to do with the fact that letting Al Qaeda chase the coalition forces out of Iraq would be a surrender. You can attempt to argue that surrendering would lead on balance to more good things than not surrendering, but that is another discussion entirely.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Redstorm]
#7973822 - 02/03/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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The ones initiating the violence in Iraq these days have for a very long time been almost exclusively foreign operatives (Saudis, Syrians. Yemenis, etc.), and even many of the few remaining Iraqi-born ones have been members of a foreign organization -- Al Qaeda. Yes, every now and then a couple of al Sadr's lads act up a bit, but to all intents and purposes these days (last year or so) the remaining Iraqi violence is pretty much an Al Qaeda thing.
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So yeah... leaving Iraq against the wishes of the constitutionally elected Iraqi government would certainly be surrendering to Al Qaeda.
And what would staying against the wish of the people who make up this democracy be?
Still waiting, but I'm not expecting a real answer. Also, this question asked in the subject of this thread is a joke. It's about on par with "do you still beat your wife?"
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Redstorm]
#7974053 - 02/03/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Still waiting, but I'm not expecting a real answer.
Ah, Red, Red... when did you lose your faith in me? You know I don't make unsupportable claims.
My own computer is on the fritz and will be for the next several weeks while I ship in a new part, so I don't have access to my archived bookmarks. If I did, I would have included a link to articles from the Washington Post, the Guardian, the New York Times and others with my original post. But since the news they report has been common knowledge for some time now, I thought I could avoid the hassle of Googling the info.
Here's what I found quickly, but there have been more recent articles in the MSM detailing how pretty much all other insurgent groups have almost given up the ghost. Al Qaeda in Iraq (or Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, as the New york Times hilariously insists on calling it) has been the main malefactor for at least the last six months now, but until I get my own computer back (and its bookmarks) I'm not going to spend any time trying to winnow through the tens of thousands of hits Google returns for Al Qaeda iraq insurgency. Perhaps someone else can provide more links than these --
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/20/AR2008012002609_pf.html --
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Based on the Sinjar records, U.S. military officials in Iraq said they now think that nine out of 10 suicide bombers have been foreigners, compared with earlier estimates of 75 percent. Similarly, they assess that 90 percent of foreign fighters entering Iraq during the one-year period ending in August came via Syria, a greater proportion than previously believed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2215798,00.html?gusrc=
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After the raid the number of suicide bombings in Iraq fell to 16 in October - half the number seen during the summer months and down from a peak of 59 in March. US military officials believe that 90% of such bombings are by foreigners.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7974058 - 02/03/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'll take that as a cleverly disguised "Yes", then.
Boy are you sharp.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7974072 - 02/03/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: In the neocon minds of zappaisgod, diecommie & luddite (& maybe one or two other people on the Shroomery), to not support U.S.-initiated wars is the equivalent to saying, "I support al-Qaeda." It is incomprehensible to their narrow-minded, simplistic worldview that one can oppose both the Bush administration, as well as Osama bin Laden. Remember, like their ideological champion said, "You're either with us or you're against us."
Nicely put. And true enough for me.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7974603 - 02/03/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Do the countries of the coalition troops have the right to assist allies who request their aid? Yes or no.
who were these allies when the fighting started, was our aid requested then?
being a coalition, is this fighting being done under the flag of the UN?
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