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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7969538 - 02/02/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Funny, I didn't see either a "yes" or a "no" in that whole irrelevant diatribe. Thanks for playing and keep on touching yourself.
I have a "yes" from Icelander, a "no" from Die Commie, a "no" from Redstorm and basically total bullshit and obfuscation from everybody else.
Yes or no. I've read your and several other people's speeches. Now answer the fucking question.
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Coaster
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969568 - 02/02/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i say yes i would pull out it was unconstitutional it wasnt a threat to our national security it wasnt in our best interests we didnt benefit from it 1 bit
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Minstrel
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969577 - 02/02/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Funny, I didn't see either a "yes" or a "no" in that whole irrelevant diatribe. Thanks for playing and keep on touching yourself.
I have a "yes" from Icelander, a "no" from Die Commie, a "no" from Redstorm and basically total bullshit and obfuscation from everybody else.
Yes or no. I've read your and several other people's speeches. Now answer the fucking question.
You are either with us, or against us. Yes, or no. Neo-cons love restricting the places where you can stand.
Sorry Zzzap, but you gotta face it. Your propaganda doesn't work on these shroomers. We don't fall for it.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Minstrel]
#7969594 - 02/02/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Coaster]
#7969596 - 02/02/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coaster said: i say yes
Thank you, You are breath of fresh air in a veritable fog of bullshit. You're heinous but nonetheless man enough to take a stand i would pull out it was unconstitutional
No, it wasn't it wasnt a threat to our national security it wasnt in our best interests we didnt benefit from it 1 bit
We disagree, but that has been hammered to oblivion in several hundred other threads
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969603 - 02/02/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pick on the easy one zappa.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Minstrel]
#7969606 - 02/02/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Minstrel said:
You are either with us, or against us. Yes, or no. Neo-cons love restricting the places where you can stand.
Well, no. The world makes you take stances and make choices. Should we stay or should we go?Quote:
Sorry Zzzap, but you gotta face it. Your propaganda doesn't work on these shroomers. We don't fall for it.
There is no propaganda in a straight question. Answer it. Or waffle forever. You don't even have the guts to answer a question.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7969617 - 02/02/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: In the neocon minds of zappaisgod, diecommie & luddite (& maybe one or two other people on the Shroomery), to not support U.S.-initiated wars is the equivalent to saying, "I support al-Qaeda." It is incomprehensible to their narrow-minded, simplistic worldview that one can oppose both the Bush administration, as well as Osama bin Laden. Remember, like their ideological champion said, "You're either with us or you're against us."
Yet another person who doesn't understand that this is a simple question. What do we do now? No woulda coulda shoulda. Pull out immediately or stay?
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#7969620 - 02/02/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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vintage_gonzo said: Pick on the easy one zappa.
They're all easy.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969718 - 02/02/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7969810 - 02/02/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leave NOW!! It'll be decades before we fully grasp the damage we have already done over there, to our economy, the national debt, to the strength and moral of our Military, standing in the eyes of others around the world, and all for NOTHING but an Al Queda that is larger and more organized now then before and Oil that is more then double the price it was before.
YES!! I really want to leave Iraq to the Iraqis already.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7970017 - 02/02/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Minstrel said:
You are either with us, or against us. Yes, or no. Neo-cons love restricting the places where you can stand.
Well, no. The world makes you take stances and make choices. Should we stay or should we go?Quote:
Sorry Zzzap, but you gotta face it. Your propaganda doesn't work on these shroomers. We don't fall for it.
There is no propaganda in a straight question. Answer it. Or waffle forever. You don't even have the guts to answer a question.
Another Neocon natural: declaring detractors as cowards.
I will not answer your little question. It is a complex question, which presupposes that:
1. The act of disengaging in Iraq can only be described as surrender.
2. That an issue like this is the criteria by which we should judge your foriegn policy. Retards vs American lives, paper dollars, iraqi lives, future generations of iraqis.
It seems you have your head screwed on straight.
You are disgracing the service of your fighting men and women with this straw man story.
I honestly don't give a fuck if you think that Iraqis from blowing up Iraqis is your business. You've sown your seeds.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7970211 - 02/02/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Jiggy seems to be wrapped up in the number of people actually on the planes and think that was the sum total of people involved. There was an organization of thousands, maybe millions, who worked on it, donated to it, supported it with their governments and shamans.
Governments and shamans? Have you been listening to Ann Coulter again? Either way, congratulations on loosing all credibility. What next, communists under the stairs?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7970228 - 02/02/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What that he said isn't true?
Half the Saudi government donated money to those idiots to help them w/ their plot. And they were sent specifically by religious authorities.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7970507 - 02/02/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: What that he said isn't true?
Half the Saudi government donated money to those idiots to help them w/ their plot. And they were sent specifically by religious authorities.
Are you sure you want to help Zappa further face that he supports and trusts a government (ours) that supports, with military weapons aid and protection, a government that helps to fund Al Queda?
It's like you laid out the rope for him to trip over.
Note how zappa didn't mention which governments have been helping Al Queda.
Not that it needs to be highlighted to read the writing on the wall.
We have been borrowing money from China, to give to Musharif, to fund his Military, who has been giving safe haven to top Al Queda organizers in Pakistan, while the world is distracted with Iraq and Iran as being some threat to us.
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zappaisgod
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EP and jiggy surrender. Finally. What governments, jiggy?
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7970859 - 02/02/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: EP and jiggy surrender. Finally. What governments, jiggy?
Surrender is your word that does not apply to Iraq. Iraq was never trying to force us into doing anything for them. Surrender regarding Iraq makes no sense. We forced their leader out. We bombed the piss out of them and killed 100,000-1,000,000 of their people. There is nothing for us to surrender too. there is a only a violent, costly and senseless attack on them for us to stop committing.
What governments about what are you asking what governments for?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7971801 - 02/03/08 03:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tactics...wow! where or whom did you learn this from hmm? 
better watch out for you in the next decade or so..
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Phred
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jiggy writes:
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Surrender is your word that does not apply to Iraq.
On the contrary. It applies perfectly to Iraq.
The ones initiating the violence in Iraq these days have for a very long time been almost exclusively foreign operatives (Saudis, Syrians. Yemenis, etc.), and even many of the few remaining Iraqi-born ones have been members of a foreign organization -- Al Qaeda. Yes, every now and then a couple of al Sadr's lads act up a bit, but to all intents and purposes these days (last year or so) the remaining Iraqi violence is pretty much an Al Qaeda thing.
So yeah... leaving Iraq against the wishes of the constitutionally elected Iraqi government would certainly be surrendering to Al Qaeda.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7971921 - 02/03/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> (it) would certainly be surrendering to Al Qaeda.
What is so wrong with losing? Why does it matter if Al Qaeda "wins" in Iraq?
(I'm not picking sides, but trying to understand the limits of the issue... searching for the worst case scenario, I suppose.)
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