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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7966292 - 02/01/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Zappa
Did you hear, In 2002, Some crazy ass drunk American terrorists strapped themselves to automobiles and killed 16,972 Americans.
Get your neocon friends on the phone and tell them this domestic terrorist group, called Al Drunk Driving Ass Queda, is killing far more Americans every year, right here on our own soil and that we need to be spending $4,000,000,000 a month to stop them and save Americans from this far greater terrorist threat.
Apparently Washington didn't get the memo on this FAR greater threat to all of our lives. RP was right, the CIA is useless, save for bringing drugs into the country.
On a side note, if some crazy strapped and detonated bombs on to, two people with downs, that sounds like something the local police should investigate and take care of. Why is that the job of a military from a country on the other side of the planet?
China doesn't come here and take care of our murders for us.
And who is going after Rumsfield , who helped to get the toxic poison Aspartame approved by the FDA, after they had been shooting it down for over 10 years because it is a toxic poison, that is causing cancer in and killing millions of Americans?
We have more then enough domestic terrorists to take care of. We don't need to be going over seas to save far more American lives every year from the reckless, careless, crazies we have right here at home.
Our priorities are so fucked up!!!!
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WhiskeyClone
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Get your neocon friends on the phone and tell them this domestic terrorist group, called Al Drunk Driving Ass Queda, is killing far more Americans every year, right here on our own soil and that we need to be spending $4,000,000,000 a month to stop them and save Americans from this far greater terrorist threat.
I'm confused... where did you hear $4,000,000,000 a month can eradicate drunk driving?
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Madtowntripper
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7967048 - 02/01/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 3 hours ago) |
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Ah yes, yet another story of the evil arabs killing people in their own country. And what proof of this do we have?
Iraqi officials said
That sums it up for me! It must have been the evil arabs! No chance that blackwater/mossad/cia/special ops planted the explosives ahead of time! Nope, no chance at all!
Let me guess, you think the same group blew up the WTC?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7967194 - 02/01/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 3 hours ago) |
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I believe it is delusional at best to believe that we can fight these people into thinking that this sort of behavior is not acceptable? Are we going to kill every person who thinks this way or at least waste US lives trying to do so for the indefinite future? It's not about surrendering, but more so about developing some reasonable goals to counter this sort of thinking, because eradicating everyone who thinks and do these things is impossible.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7967305 - 02/02/08 12:16 AM (16 years, 2 hours ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said:
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Get your neocon friends on the phone and tell them this domestic terrorist group, called Al Drunk Driving Ass Queda, is killing far more Americans every year, right here on our own soil and that we need to be spending $4,000,000,000 a month to stop them and save Americans from this far greater terrorist threat.
I'm confused... where did you hear $4,000,000,000 a month can eradicate drunk driving?
That is how much we are spending a month trying to eradicate terrorists.
My research shows that drunk drivers kill more people per year in the U.S. then Al Queda members do. I don't see us throwing $4,000,000,000. a month at the threat of being killed by a drunk driver.
Why does our government feel the need to spend that sort of cash a month to keep a crazy from blowing us up, yet not on keeping a crazy from, smashing us up?
What's the difference other then the threat of being killed by a drunk driver is much higher and more probable then the threat of being killed by a terrorist.
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Seuss
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: FecalDildo]
#7967400 - 02/02/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 1 hour ago) |
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> Forensics must be amazing these days, apparently you can tell from tiny pieces of vaporised flesh weather or not someone has downs syndrome. LOL @ Propaganda bullshit.
Much easier just to talk to the family and neighbors of the woman that were used. Usually, the head remains intact after a suicide vest detonates making positive identification fairly easy. Arms, hands, and legs also usually remain scattered about. Good thing we don't ID people by their chests, otherwise we would have to do as you suggest, and look at DNA from tiny bits of leftover flesh or bone.
> Did you hear, In 2002, Some crazy ass drunk American terrorists strapped themselves to automobiles and killed 16,972 Americans.
In my mind there is a pretty large difference between a drunk driver killing somebody in a car accident and a terrorist killing somebody in a "military" action. (This is from somebody that lost his first girlfriend to a drunk driver in high school; I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers.)
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Luddite
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Seuss]
#7967776 - 02/02/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bush Mulls Bin Laden Offer to Convert to Islam by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · 30 Comments
(2007-09-07) — Just hours after the release of al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden’s latest video message inviting all Americans to convert to Islam, U.S. President George said he would “seriously consider the offer, because it sure would simplify the war in Iraq.”
“If I convert to Islam and order all of our troops to do the same,” said Mr. Bush, “we can stay in Iraq indefinitely, drop the restrictive rules of engagement, save a lot of money by using cheap, unguided bombs, clear neighborhoods flat out, blow up mosques with impunity and still go to heaven — not to mention that I’d get more favorable coverage from the U.S. news media.”
The president added that he might convert to Islam just to “find out what it’s like to be a man who wears a dress and a bonnet and dyes his hair like a girl.”
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2671
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Luddite
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Luddite]
#7967794 - 02/02/08 07:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KSM: Terrorism So Easy, Even Caveman Can Do It by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · 25 Comments
(2007-03-15) — Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, today answered skeptics who doubt that he could have planned the 31 terror plots to which he confessed this week.
“Why these doubts,” said Mr. Sheikh Mohammed. “Terrorism is so easy, even a caveman could do it.”
The hirsute al Qaeda lieutenant also said he was humbled by the way journalists always refer to him as a “mastermind”.
“If I build skyscraper or design jet plane, that make Khalid mastermind,” he said. “But I just ordinary schlub who knock down buildings and cut off heads. Mastermind? It make me blush my face.”
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2519
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: StroFun]
#7967884 - 02/02/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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StroFun said: LOL@ Zappa
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Redstorm]
#7967920 - 02/02/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I believe it is delusional at best to believe that we can fight these people into thinking that this sort of behavior is not acceptable? Are we going to kill every person who thinks this way or at least waste US lives trying to do so for the indefinite future? It's not about surrendering, but more so about developing some reasonable goals to counter this sort of thinking, because eradicating everyone who thinks and do these things is impossible.

We are never going to pick up the morning paper and find the headline "Last terrorist killed. War on Terror a success." Not in five years, twenty years, a hundred years. Eradication of anything (drug abuse, terrorism, corruption) is unachieveable, and any operation whose criteria include it will go on forever.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7967938 - 02/02/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I eagerly await the morally bankrupt and mentally vacant morons here who will no doubt explain that the people who did this are freedom fighters driven to such harsh means by the eeevil BUUUUUUUUSHitler and the genocidal foreign policy of every American administration ever.
first explain again why if we weren't over there this would be of any importance to us whatsoever.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Seuss]
#7968284 - 02/02/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > Did you hear, In 2002, Some crazy ass drunk American terrorists strapped themselves to automobiles and killed 16,972 Americans.
In my mind there is a pretty large difference between a drunk driver killing somebody in a car accident and a terrorist killing somebody in a "military" action. (This is from somebody that lost his first girlfriend to a drunk driver in high school; I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers.)
Weather you sympathize with someone believing they are protecting or defending something with a military style action, and not someone who decides to drink and drive, the fact remains, death by a drunk driver threatens the lives of more Americans, yet, that threat to our lives is not treated with any where near the same amount of concern, action or money by our government.
I think those who support this war in Iraq, because they fear for their lives in a terrorist attack, should question then, why our government doesn't spend the same amount of money, man power and action, protecting us from something proven to be a far greater threat to our lives.
Or in the least, it may be time for them to admit to themselves, that our motives for spending $4,000,000,0000 a month in the war on terror, may not be, because our government really gives two shitz about what out there threatens to kill us.
In light of all the real threats to our daily lives here, statistically, terrorism, isn't anywhere near the top of the list.
In 2006 alone, cancer killed approximately 556,000 American Lives.
Since Sept of 2003, illegal aliens have murdered 45,625 Americans.
I'll stop right at that one. If our government cares so much about protecting us from threats to our lives coming from abroad, with these stats, why are they softening our borders, making it easier for more to come here and kill us?
Our government supports and protects far greater threats to our daily lives is my point.
Ask any brainwashed American what the greatest threat is today to their lives and they will say it's Islamic extremists and that they support spending $4,000,000,000. a month on protecting us from them.
I don't even know how to answer Zaps question because as far as I see it, Americans have been threatening the Islamic way of life with our mission to modernize them with our Western Influence, and with the presence of our Military bases on their soil. We are currently on a mission to hand rights to Iraqi Oil over to Western Oil companies to profit from.
Yes, some Islamics in the middle east are pissed at us and yes, I think we should pull out entirely and leave them be to run their own countries and profit from their own natural resources.
Enough of being over there to protect interests in Oil and so greedy companies like Halliburton and Black water can obnoxiously profit off of this sham. Scientists will tell you that we have had the technology to become energy independent for decades now.
16 Crazy Saudis killed 5,000 Americans in 2001, and Americans along with their government supported the loss of now over 5,000 U.S. soldiers, and the murder of over 151,000 Iraqis in response to it, even though anyone not brainwashed knows, those additional lives were lost over oil and profit.
You have a funny way of defining moral bankruptcy zappa.
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Phred
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Jiggy, you are so sloppy with numbers it's not even funny anymore.
There were 19 hijackers, not 16. Those hijackers didn't kill 5,000 Americans, they killed around 2800. There haven't been 5,000 American troop deaths in Iraq, there's been around 4000.
As for your 151,000 Iraqi lives lost, no... they were not lost for oil and profit. Only brainwashed people swallow that garbage.
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Madtowntripper
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7968385 - 02/02/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm more in agreement with you than him, but its not like they were lost for some much higher ideal...
Democracy is useless when you're dead as a doornail.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Icelander]
#7968398 - 02/02/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There seems to be some general categories of response.
1. If you can't stop them all there is no sense trying to stop any of them. The crime of murder will never be eliminated. Does that mean we should stop prosecuting it?
1a. Subset of above. If we don't try to stop all of them (Darfur), we shouldn't try to stop any of them. Absurd for the same reason as 1 above with the additional note that we have additional interests in this particular application (Iraq and Afghanistan) and none in that application(Darfur). I am not aware that Darfur has led to any exported criminals.
2. We never should have gone there at all because it is none of our business. This has been argued over and over again and the isolationism of the Paulnuts seems to be reigniting it here. Over and over again. And then some more. I'm not going to derail my own thread with an irrelevant argument. We ARE there. Now what? Surrender to people who are willing to strap bombs to retards to kill dozens of other people doing nothing worse than going about their own business? Purchasing pet birds for instance. Or do we continue to fight them until they are brought down to level that the Iraqis can handle on their own? I repeat, we are already there. You cannot turn that back. The situation is what it is. Make your own thread. Again. And your own answer to the question, for which I have received exactly one answer, which came from DieCommie, who said, "Never surrender." That's my answer, too.
3. Doubts as to whether it happened. Yes yes yes, Bushitler propaganda. Fine. Consider it a hypothetical question then.
4. OTD posters ShitDick and ledfut. 'Nuff said.
5. jiggy, who for some reason went off on drunk drivers and aspartame. Aspartame? I will not respond to the latest jiggy because it is so far off topic. She probably thinks thimerosol causes autism. Start another thread.
ARE YOU WILLING TO SURRENDER TO THESE PEOPLE WHO STRAP BOMBS TO RETARDS?
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Phred]
#7968401 - 02/02/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, zappa is really preaching to the choir here.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7968409 - 02/02/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ARE YOU WILLING TO SURRENDER TO THESE PEOPLE WHO STRAP BOMBS TO RETARDS?
NO!
The global jihad is a real threat to classical civilization. The people on this thread, for the most part, dont see it. They sit at home warm and comfortable thinking they are insulated from it. But the jihad rages on in nearly every continent. Ignoring it and hiding from it wont make it go away.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7968414 - 02/02/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I'm more in agreement with you than him, but its not like they were lost for some much higher ideal...
Democracy is useless when you're dead as a doornail.
And I do not believe that it has ever been achieved without some loss of life. There always has been and always will be those who would wish to enslave others for their own benefit. And they don't give a fuck about anybody else's life. They must be fought. THAT is the theme of this thread. That there are murderous thugs who would sacrifice any life to subjugate others. They have no scruples and no restrictions. Do you want to cede the territory to THEM?
I believe jiggy is female, by the way.
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: DieCommie]
#7968529 - 02/02/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Do you really want to surrender to this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7968585 - 02/02/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Two women set off separate suicide bombs in two markets in Baghdad on Friday, killing at least 91 persons and wounding a similar number. Contrary to what this AP squib implies, the bombings suggest neither that "al-Qaeda" is running out of men nor that it is desperate. Women were used because they would be less likely to be closely searched, in a society where gender segregation and female honor and chastity are important values. The story that the women had Downs syndrome seems unlikely to be true; you wouldn't trust a sensitive terror plot to someone without their full faculties. Rather, the bombings show that the Sunni Arab guerrillas seeking to destabilize Iraq have not been defeated and are still capable of making a big strike right under the noses of the surge troops. And that is how guerrilla war is-- large conventional forces find it difficult to curb it.
www.Juancole.com
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