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OfflineJSshroom
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trays not colonizing
    #7964283 - 02/01/08 12:44 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

when I was mixing the trays up. I could not get the manure to trickle. It was just squishy in my fingers. I tried adding dry material and that just got it too dry. Then right back to squishy.
this is a 50/50 poo verm mix.

It has been incubating for 12 days. some trays have become contamed. They are colonizing but seem to have stalled at the end, as far as covering the top layer.

This has happened over and over. The same thing and I am really getting tired of it. I can make huge bags of spawn and they work fine. Now I just need to master the spawning.


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: JSshroom]
    #7964287 - 02/01/08 12:45 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

Did you pasteurize properly?


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: Day Tripper]
    #7964318 - 02/01/08 01:00 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

yes they were pasteurized at 150F for an hour or so, then put in the freezer for later. You can use unpasteurized manure for spawning as well.


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: JSshroom]
    #7964386 - 02/01/08 01:17 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

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I could not get the manure to trickle. It was just squishy in my fingers. I tried adding dry material and that just got it too dry. Then right back to squishy.



When the substrate is too dry, the cure is to add water, not more dry substrate.

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It has been incubating for 12 days



Incubating is for premature babies and chicken eggs. Substrates should be colonized at room temperature. High temps only stimulate molds and slow down mushroom mycelium.

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You can use unpasteurized manure for spawning as well.



That's news to me unless you're growing outdoors or use a very high rate of spawn.

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yes they were pasteurized at 150F for an hour or so, then put in the freezer for later



Unless you have a separate lab refrigerator, that's a big mistake. Kitchen refrigerators are loaded with mold spores from the cheese and other vegetables within.
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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7964515 - 02/01/08 01:49 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

I was adding dry substrate to squishy substrate. Meaning it was too wet.

I have a separate freezer in the garage for substrate. Its new.

I use high spawn rates, but outside is what I was talking about.

I did not mean incubating as in high temps. They are chilling around 70F

ill have some pics later


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: JSshroom]
    #7964523 - 02/01/08 01:51 PM (13 years, 28 days ago)

I have had a lot of trouble getting substrate to perform as I would like. It either likes to be too dry or squish out. Is there too much vermiculite in it?


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: JSshroom]
    #7969020 - 02/02/08 04:34 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)



You can see from the photos. The ones with wax paper on them were how they were sitting on the shelf. They dried out on the top using wax paper. In the past I used foil to cover the top, or on the sub itself. What am I doing wrong there.

You can also see that all trays were thouroughly contammed. They pulled away from the edges like they are supposed too. I have read a lot today on field capacity and everything points too it being too dry.

When I squeezed the manure though. It squished out of my fingers like mud. I could not get it to just trickle? any help


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: JSshroom]
    #7969575 - 02/02/08 07:09 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

If your manure is like mud then your mix ratio is off. Your substrate should be light and airy. whether you use straw, verm, coir, or whatever it is your mixing with it so that IT'S NOT LIKE MUD, the ratio is obviously important. I would stick to covering the casings with foil. The wax paper is doing really nothing. Moisture is going to wick away from the uncovered portions on the side.


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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7970412 - 02/02/08 10:18 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Mix it so you have to squeeze like hell to get a couple of drops out.
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Re: trays not colonizing [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7970429 - 02/02/08 10:25 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

any suggestions on what I might cut it with. I have more poo that is already mixed up with those ratios. what can i do to correct them? I have no more unmixed poo. current mix 5% perlite 50% poo 45% coarse vermiculite.


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