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InvisibleChronic7

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Love & Fear? (What about anger?)
    #7964176 - 02/01/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago)

Alot of spiritual books i read say every human emotion/feeling/action/reaction is rooted in love or fear, this makes alot of sense to me as if oyu dont love something you jkust dont understand it, thuis fear it as we fear what we dont understand.

What i cant get my head round is ANGER, does that mean anger is rooted in fear? Liek if someone makes you angry it doesnt necessarily mean your scared of them or yourself, it seems an individual emotion rooted in only itself?

:peace:


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Love & Fear? (What about anger?) [Re: Chronic7]
    #7964207 - 02/01/08 10:19 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago)

Also how love & fear tie into buddhism?

i suppose if you have no attachment is is impossible to fear, as then all there is is love, as true love is free from all attachment.

I suppose buddhist theory needs to not go into fear as through non attachment theres no fear?


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Re: Love & Fear? (What about anger?) [Re: Chronic7]
    #7964260 - 02/01/08 10:35 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago)

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chronic777 said:
Also how love & fear tie into buddhism?

i suppose if you have no attachment is is impossible to fear, as then all there is is love, as true love is free from all attachment.


I think that is a pretty damn good description of the Buddhist approach to love and fear.

In After the Ecstacy, the Laundry, Buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield talks about how each Buddhist tradition - indeed, every spiritual tradition and each unique path - has its own views on emotions. Some people try to transcend emotion altogether and remain in a totally calm, remote state of existence, but the Middle Way involves honoring different emotional states and allowing them to be, going as fully into them with one's awareness as one is able, and letting them arise and pass as they will.

"When a student asked, "You teach us to sit just as we sit, just eat as we eat; could a Zen master just be angry in the same way?" Suzuki Roshi replied, "You mean to just get angry like a thunderstorm and be done when it passes? Ahh, I wish I could do that."

"Monks, you must be aware of pleasant feelings, neutral feelings, and unpleasant feelings; you must establish mindfulness of the feelings in the feelings." -Satipatthana Sutra

(Both quotations taken from After the Ecstacy, the Laundry)

Kornfield goes on to talk about his own experience coming back to a lay life after the monastic path. He says that when he returned and entered into a romantic relationship, he found that he never felt like making decisions, thinking himself quite un-attached and willing to go with the flow. His girlfriend pointed out that much of his seeming detachment was merely a way for him to avoid going more deeply into his own feelings, and with her help he re-discovered that he did have preferences, aversions, unique individual tastes, and so forth. Bringing awareness into his unique conditioning in this way led to fuller acceptance of life.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Love & Fear? (What about anger?) [Re: Lion]
    #7964288 - 02/01/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago)

fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering...


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Re: Love & Fear? (What about anger?) [Re: MonChe]
    #7964707 - 02/01/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 14 hours ago)

I think that is basically true. Anger is either projected inward at ourselves or outward at the world. Fear is the base. All anger IMO is found in a seed of fear. If you look at yourself and understand deeply you can see this. Anger is based in perceived threat, and threat is based in fear. Anger is a good motivator to move one through fear and into action as a survival mechanism.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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