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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Veritas]
    #7975674 - 02/03/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds good to me!


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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Veritas]
    #7977352 - 02/04/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"[...]Perhaps when we have loved life with every fiber of our being, we can gracefully release it when it ends."
Indeed, that grace would be a festival ! Dead would dance with the living and they with him ! :laugh:


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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Veritas]
    #7979565 - 02/04/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you've never read the section of Ram Dass's first book The Only Dance There Is, on Love as a State of Being, I recommend it to you as one of my favorite eye-openers.

It is only when you begin to understand that if you and I are truly in love, if I go to the place in me that is love and you to the place in you that is love, we are "together" in Love. We start to understand that what love means is that we are sharing a common state together. That state exists in you and it exists in me. Now the enlightened being - what happens to him [her] is that [s]he changes the nature of his/her love object to it all, finally. You would say that an enlightened being is totally in love with the universe, in the sense that everything in the universe turns him/her on to that place in him/herself where [s]he is love or consciousness. So I would say that an interpersonal relationship that has any qualities of possessiveness in it, or ego drama of any kind, certainly undergoes changes as the nature of consciousness changes...That is, love and consciousness are one and the same thing. So that as you get into a higher state of consciousness you come closer to being in love. That doesn't mean in interpersonal love. It means being - love. P. 60-61

This having once-upon-a-time whet my appetite for greater intellectual understanding of what was going on in my feelings and my intentions, I read Anders Nygren's classic tome Agape and Eros which are Greek forms (as is Philias) and then the Latin Caritas, which is a union of agape and eros but which unfortunately translates in the Bible as 'charity,' of which we mean something different today. Not being a 'mushy' kind of person, I still had to learn about what was up with love - particularly the form the mystics were writing about. Being 'warm' but disinterested (agape) is clearly different than being 'hot' (eros) for someone, and feeling brotherly/sisterly (philias) is a different flavor again, but these emotionally colored forms all derive from a singular 'colorless' Intention or Will for The Good of 'others.' Ultimately, if one groks the Christian metaphysical stance, "God is love," and love is synonymous with the Ground Consciousness (as Ram Dass stated in his language). Sorry for the circularity.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7980739 - 02/04/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have read that book, and found it lyrical and moving. It is so rare to read a book about love which does not focus on relationship. What of our relationship with our own existence? How can we offer anything but grasping and need to another when we are not in love with being alive?


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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Icelander]
    #8030216 - 02/16/08 05:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am love itself.
I am all other things around you/us.
Like they guy said in "From dusk till Dawn" : I believe there is a god, but do I love him?


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While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John


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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Veritas]
    #8030224 - 02/16/08 05:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Unconditional love.. Got to love it!

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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: Veritas]
    #8041318 - 02/19/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
The state I am describing could occur without experiencing the world around us, though, as it occurs in the world within us.  This is why I don't see it as "merging."  (Though merging can be fun! :wink:)

And if we are one with everything, then there cannot be "merging," as it's all already merged.  :shrug:  If not, then we could merge, but I assert that the state of loving has nothing to do with the rest of the world...only our inner awareness of being fully alive.

I notice this expansive state of loving most-often when I am NOT focused on the world outside of myself, not observing, not trying to reach for or push away anything.  It sneaks up on me when I relax, when I begin to feel how good it is to be embodied & how "at home" I feel inside my own head.  YMMV.  :shrug:

Words are so imprecise when it comes to describing internal states, but the closest I can come to it is this: It is the state of being alive for no other reason than the joy of it.  Not to work, not to play, not to achieve, not to worry, not to do for others, not to gain things or awards...just to live and grow.  Like the fern in my avatar, unfurling in a sunbeam.  :sun: 




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Re: I love you -- nothing personal! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #8041345 - 02/19/08 01:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
If you've never read the section of Ram Dass's first book The Only Dance There Is, on Love as a State of Being, I recommend it to you as one of my favorite eye-openers.

It is only when you begin to understand that if you and I are truly in love, if I go to the place in me that is love and you to the place in you that is love, we are "together" in Love. We start to understand that what love means is that we are sharing a common state together. That state exists in you and it exists in me. Now the enlightened being - what happens to him [her] is that [s]he changes the nature of his/her love object to it all, finally. You would say that an enlightened being is totally in love with the universe, in the sense that everything in the universe turns him/her on to that place in him/herself where [s]he is love or consciousness. So I would say that an interpersonal relationship that has any qualities of possessiveness in it, or ego drama of any kind, certainly undergoes changes as the nature of consciousness changes...That is, love and consciousness are one and the same thing. So that as you get into a higher state of consciousness you come closer to being in love. That doesn't mean in interpersonal love. It means being - love. P. 60-61

This having once-upon-a-time whet my appetite for greater intellectual understanding of what was going on in my feelings and my intentions, I read Anders Nygren's classic tome Agape and Eros which are Greek forms (as is Philias) and then the Latin Caritas, which is a union of agape and eros but which unfortunately translates in the Bible as 'charity,' of which we mean something different today. Not being a 'mushy' kind of person, I still had to learn about what was up with love - particularly the form the mystics were writing about. Being 'warm' but disinterested (agape) is clearly different than being 'hot' (eros) for someone, and feeling brotherly/sisterly (philias) is a different flavor again, but these emotionally colored forms all derive from a singular 'colorless' Intention or Will for The Good of 'others.' Ultimately, if one groks the Christian metaphysical stance, "God is love," and love is synonymous with the Ground Consciousness (as Ram Dass stated in his language). Sorry for the circularity.




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