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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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No, many rational people believe the same thing.
*YOU* may not believe the evidence, but it is there. People who are much more deeply in touch with the Nazi-Right than I surmise you are think he is. And all he has done to deny it is say "That wasn't my fault." Way to dismiss another argument by calling someone ignorant. I'm sure you're winning converts to your cause left and right... -------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I never said this either. Is there an interest in seeing the candidate people donate to elected? Certainly, but Ron Paul supporters continue to donate to Ron Paul even though most of the active supporters are well-aware of the nature of the situation and the odds that are being faced. Ron Paul himself addressed the grass-roots clearly stating that, while he can't rule anything out, as he couldn't have imagined this six months ago, this isn't about winning the nomination, but this is about the message, and getting it heard. Most supporters of Ron Paul aren't simply donating and campaigning for him because he's a great, interesting candidate, but because they are deeply concerned about the direction this country is heading in and they see him as the only man in a position to effect the greatest short-term change regarding this. Quote: This is far too dismissive of a statement to have any real bearing. I'm looking forward to seeing the MTV/Myspace debate tonight, in which Ron Paul will be up there with Clinton, Obama, and Huckabee (Romney and McCain haven't confirmed yet). The field certainly has narrowed, hasn't it? Apparently Paul is cared about enough to be included. Let me ask you, what is the difference between Kucinich and Paul? Money wisely invested in a successful candidate that people clearly have an interest in actively participating in a narrow field of candidates. The opportunity to continue to deliver the message like this pays off, the change is real and signfigant, even if some are willing to be oblivious to it. -------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: No they don't, and there is no evidence, unless you care to cite it. Quote: Unsubstantiated nonsense; put up or shut up. Certain unknown people reaching certain conclusions isn't very substansive. Quote: Do you enjoy perpetuating complete bullshit? Ron Paul has taken personal responsibility for the fact that someone writing a newsletter in his name while he was completely absorbed in his medical practice in every single campaign he has ran. Unless you care to cite specific statements, the statements themselves weren't even that horrible. Fact is, there is nothing that points towards Ron Paul as being a racist, but since you are supporting the claim, put the fuck up. Quote: I asked if he was blatantly misinformed. Assuming that Ron Paul is racist because of a sliver of a minority of his supporters are is nonsense. Quote: Someone who baselessly pronounces that Ron Paul is a racist isn't convertable, not even a medical operation could accomplish that. I'm not here to win you over; I'm here to debate. -------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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Quote: Yes, you did. Quote: But I don't want to argue semantics. I hear what you're saying about donating because you think he's a great guy, but how do you think he is going to affect the "greatest short-term change"? What is the mechanism for this? By *talking* about it? You can talk about a problem until you are blue in the face, but that never solved anything. Occasionally, its necessary to actually *DO* things to bring about change. -------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Toujours Frais Registered: 03/03/03 Posts: 97,746 Loc: Hotwings; race c |
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Quote: Nah. Essentially, you seem to be a racist yourself though, so I'm betting that you wouldn't even mind him being a racist, regardless. On the internet drug sites, it's cool to be a racist, but if you say something about gays people get more upset by that. Further evidence that most racists are cock sucking faggots
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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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Quote: Its been posted and discussed here ad nauseum. The only thing you need to do is read the things that were said, and in who's personal newsletter they were said. I know you believe that Ron Paul had nothing to do with. I think this is obvious nonsense. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you are a fanatic. I'm just putting it out there so others can come to their own conclusions. Quote: Yeah, okay Buddy... Quote: Quote: Quote: Does that sound like it was written by a random guy? "My training as a physician?" Get your head out of the sand, either the guy is a racist and a homophobe now or he was in the past... -------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Stranger Registered: 07/02/03 Posts: 35,129 |
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Quote: Quote: Quote: Does his website take Mastercard or Visa?
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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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Neither, both are Communist plots to send the entire countries wealth to China.
His campaign only accepts donations in "Ron-Dollars" which you can find...Well...Fuck, good luck. -------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Prince of Bugs ![]() Registered: 10/08/02 Posts: 44,175 Last seen: 3 months, 10 days |
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Due to the nature of Paul fans who I have met with, I no longer believe I will be voting for him. I am more knowledgeable on the topic of politics than 90% of them, but as soon as I disagree with one of them, I am ignorant.
I'll probably just vote Libertarian again.
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Fred's son Registered: 10/18/00 Posts: 12,949 Loc: Dominican Republ Last seen: 9 years, 18 days |
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Quote: No, no, no.... not ignorant, brainwashed. Get the terminology right, dammit! Phred
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fluffy bunny Registered: 11/10/06 Posts: 1,394 Loc: Sydney Last seen: 1 year, 7 months |
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Didn't someone say this thread was only going to be sticked for 24 hours?
-------------------- RIP Bigger and bolder and rougher and tougher in other words sucka there is no other...
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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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Ythan is a Paulnut too, I imagine it'll stay up awhile...
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Quote: Quote: No, I didn't. There is a clear difference between the statement "people don't donate to a presidental campaign to get a candidate elected" and "no one has proposed in this thread that donating to his campaign was in attempt to get elected". Did I say in the original post that I was advocating donating to the presidental campaign in order to get him elected? No. Did I say that some people don't donate to a presidental campaign to get a candidate elected? No. I'm sure you don't want to argue semantics, because then you would have to admit that the concept I have proposed is clearly distinct from the moron statement you wish I had said. I'm sure its easier to debate some moron arguement that was never presented than what I have actually proposed, so I guess I don't blame you for being lazy. The fact is that most Ron Paul supporters continue to participate because they are dedicated to the movement and the proliferation of understanding that Ron Paul stands for. The fact is that I clearly stated in this thread that I was advocating those who understand this movement and are sympathetic to the cause donate in order to futher it. Then, to top it off, you've clearly acted under the impression that I created this thread to win over people like you and individuals that declare Ron Paul is a vehement racist, as is most people who use drugs, based upon comments akin to "Oh look you're doing such a fine job of winning people to your cause". Sometimes it might be better to not try to make someone else look like a fool when you don't understand what is being discussed. Quote: Running for president is doing something. Participating in debates is doing something. Doing interviews in the media in which your ideas are presented and exchanged is doing something. Campaigning to bring attention of the American people to your ideas is doing something. Motivating people to become active in furthering the cause is doing something. The notion that an individual that is running for President can only affect change by actually getting elected is demonstrated to be false, but I'm sure you will make up something else I never stated or implied to continue trying to portray me in a negative manner. I was reading what I assume to be the most recent issue of U.S. News And World Report, in which they covered great moments in campaign history. Please review: Quote: Clear evidence that not everyone thinks in such simplified terms, and that reality certainly doesn't exist within these terms. The idea that I would propose that supporters donate to further the movement, and not with the notion that doing so will actually get Ron Paul elected, or the notion that some donate with an intent of furthering the movement, is not to be dismissed. Some people understand that reality is a much more dynamic process than "Me Presidental Candidate. Me run for President. Me Lose, Me No Bring Change". I didn't state that he is going to affect the greatest, short-term change, I clearly stated that most Ron Paul supporters see Ron Paul as being in a position to affect the greatest, short-term change regarding the ideas and issues that he stands for. This isn't semantics, this is reading-comprehension. God forbid someone who tells another they need some could ever actually be right. I'll pretend you asked a question relevant to what I actually said. Most Ron Paul supporters see him in this position because he is the only prominent figure in the public spotlight (yes, he is a prominent figure in the public spotlight, get over it) that is calling attention to these issues, they recognize how the action he has taken has brought forth change in themselves, and they realize the benefits of giving him what he needs to continue the campaign, in the hopes that his doing so will bring others to become aware of what he is speaking of and possibly begin creating change themselves. I know it must be unsettling to be told that you need to learn to effectively read and comprehend what someone else says, and I'm sure it is much easier to lambast someone for saying so instead of coming to terms with the fact that you need to in order to successfully participate in the discussion of the ideas presented. -------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers Registered: 03/06/03 Posts: 21,287 Loc: The Ocean of Notions Last seen: 5 months, 23 days |
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Yes, another thread where you tell me I cannot read.
Please, stop. I have two college degrees as quite a few people here can attest. I'm not fucking stupid. Stop acting like I am. I'm not even responding to that. -------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Registered: 06/06/03 Posts: 61,024 Loc: the sky |
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I love empanadas.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Not here Registered: 06/25/01 Posts: 16,509 Loc: Longitudinal Center of Canada ... |
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Quote: -------------------- ~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance" ![]()
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: In honest, effective debate, ideas are either posted for consideration in the discussion itself, or sources are cited so that they may be reviewed and discussed. Otherwise, the claims are unsupported and not to be considered. Quote: Ahh, if only reality were that simple. Fortunately, there are investigative reporters that actually seek understanding, instead of relying on such simple, illogical conclusions. Quote: Quote: Yet another failure of reading comprehension. I clearly stated that there is no evidence that Ron Paul is a vehement racist. You cited the newsletters as evidence; I've demonstrated that the claim that these were not his words is valid and substansive. Ron Paul was involved with his medical practice at the time, and a ghost-writer confirmed by Ron Paul has been pointed to by numerous relevant sources as being responsible, further evidenced by his own work later on that continued to perpetuate the ideas in question. The real question is to which degree Ron Paul was aware of the statements. He may have known nothing of what was said, or he may have known but was complicit, as it was acheiving political goals. Regardless, my statement was that there was no evidence that Ron Paul was a vehement racist, and, as there is no evidence regarding Ron Paul's knowledge and personal feelings regarding the statements, for which exists evidence that he did not personally write these statements, nothing can be concluded as to whether or not he is a vehement racist, from the newsletters. In fact, in consideration of the plethora of statements and stances that can be directly attributed to Ron Paul, it would seem evident that he is not. This is given credence when one considers that the NAACP chapter president in Austin, who has shared a personal relationship with Ron Paul for twenty years, has testified that he is not a racist. It is hard to imagine that a prominent black figure would continue a relationship with or stand up for Ron Paul if there was any sign that he was a vehement racist. Furthermore, Walter E. Williams, a black professor, endorsed Ron Paul for President and was suggested as a possible running mate by Ron Paul. It is hard to imagine a vehement racist pronouncing interest in selecting a black man as his running mate for Vice President. Quote: A fanatic? I've clearly expressed my line of reasoning and provided substantation for my claims, which is far more than you can say for yourself. Quote: Ahh, I should have been more specific, as I have not reviewed all of the statements from the newsletters. I was keeping in mind statements concerning how some people in the gay community are proud to have AIDS and seek it out (which was in reference to an article at the time by the Rolling Stone that cited as much), as well as the quote about Martin Luther King, which is substantiated by reports from agents who surveilled him, an autobiography by Ralph Abernathy that purportedly confirms some of these claims (haven't read it), to the fact that the bulk of the FBI files which contain direct evidence from surveillance regarding MLK were sealed until 2027 while the rest was released. Anyways, my statement was made in response to the notion that the newsletters confirmed that Ron Paul was a vehement racist, which, even if the words were his, is not displayed within them, and I have no interest in defending the statements themselves. Quote: Its a damn shame that the ghost-writer didn't type "My training as a construction worker". I can't imagine a ghost-writer would make it sound as though they were writing as the person they are pretending to be. Quote: No, reality confirms that there are other alternatives to these limited conclusions to be drawn. Of course, had you sought to produce any sort of confirmation or substantiation for your baseless claims, you might have considered this possibility. -------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I'll stop when you demonstrate that you can. It wasn't another thread, it was another post within a thread. Furthermore, I did not suggest that you cannot read, but questioned your ability to comprehend what I wrote. Not only did I tell you as much, but I also cited direct evidence supporting my claim. Quote: This is an appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy. The simple fact that you have two college degrees does not refute my specific claims that you have, in certain instances, failed to comprehend what was presented, which is why it is a fallacy to make it seem as though it does. Quote: Demonstrate that you aren't by refuting my evidence to the contrary. Quote: I'll take this as a resignation, which is fortunate, because I have little interest in continuing this further and have only done so to provide to others that your assessment of my behavior is baseless and that there does exist a way in which ideas can actually be exchanged in a substansial manner. It is not surprising that you won't respond, because a lot of people are not willing to admit that they were wrong. -------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I don't believe anyone said as much in this thread, but my request was for it to be stickied for one day. Geokills stated when he did so that he wouldn't be around to unsticky it. I'll notify the mods to request the admins de-sticky it, as it has run its course.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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The Duk Abides Registered: 05/16/03 Posts: 94,392 Loc: Earthfarm 1 |
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Quote: No, they really do love the guy.
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