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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7964771 - 02/01/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 11 hours ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Ron Paul is Anti-Choice and has a rather repressive, racist immigration policy. A lot of people around here seem to jump on the bandwagon with his appealing views on drug use, but he is a traditional right wing Libertarian. In the current American political climate, he may seem exciting and radical but he isn't. He's on the far end of the right wing.
Do you people who like him so much actually know what his entire platform is? Sure he's got a few appealing items on there, but he's got some nasty stuff on there too. His policies on abortion, immigration and social services are frightening.
Thanks for honestly seeking out discussion.
How much do you know about his stance on abortion? To quickly summarize, he states that it is unconstitutional for the federal government to legislate for/agansit it. He has expressed that it is a very complex issue, and thus, the more local it should be handled.
His personal stance on the matter is as a doctor who has delivered 4000 babies and witnessed in medical school an occasion when a live baby was tossed in a bucket and everyone pretended they couldn't hear it scream as it died. He sees it as a violent, almost always unnecessary act. I don't think very many people could state that it isn't violent and that it isn't almost always unnecessary.
In which manner do you feel his immigration policy is racist and repressive? I've heard him say in national debates that illegal immigrants are too often used as scapegoats, and that if we were more wise in our economic policies, they would probably we welcomed and accepted. Also, what concerning social services causes you concern? I've seen him as a strong advocate regarding the role churches used to play in social services, especially in hospitals and medical care (before corporations and government edged them out). His stance regarding welfare is almost surely regarding the federal level, and I'm certain he sees nothing wrong with an individual state choosing to provide social services. Please clarify.
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fireworks_god said: You have a long way to go, pup.
Case in point, Captain Smug.
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Its truly the end of the world, isn't it? I hardly see how holding such an attitude in the face of someone who would suggest that being a patriot by actively participating in the political process is throwing money into a black hole and then won't step up when they are directly challenged on the matter is a bad thing. Maybe if people would honestly seek out discussion and not have their head stuck up their own ass they wouldn't receive such attitude in the first place.
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It is stickied because I created the thread, contacted the administration, requested this be globally stickied for the day, they decided to sticky it, and then you saw it and made your stupid post. Is reality that hard to comprehend?
Thats pretty close to just blatant trolling. Are you a little defensive today?
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Also, maybe if your candidate wasn't a single-term bag of hot air that has no real stance on any issue and no chance of taking on Hillary Clinton, then maybe your thread you haven't made and haven't requested to be stickied would get stickied. You need to be more proactive, apparently.
Hey, at least my candidate has won something. Ron Paul has not, can not, and will not ever win a single primary. Your irrational belief to the contrary flies in the face of all the evidence and borders on religious fervor.
But I'm sure if RP was to declare himself to the Messiah tomorrow you'd swallow that hook, line, and sinker too.
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My statement was regarding predictions and analysis of how the race would occur. People like you can never manage to understand reality if it smacked them in the face, apparently. Backing a candidate who does not speak for cutting federal spending, even if they don't mean it, should be the first clue regarding that.
No, you said you'd shut the fuck up if he didn't win. He didn't win, and you haven't changed one bit.
You're still arrogant. You're still conceited. And your sole debate tactic remains insulting other people and questioning their reading comprehension. You can call me brainwashed or stupid all you want, but I at am able to make the logical leap to understand that other people hold viewpoints contrary to my own, which seems to be absolutely beyond you.
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. military isn't ready for a catastrophic attack on the country, and National Guard forces don't have the equipment or training they need for the job, according to a report.
Even fewer Army National Guard units are combat-ready today than were nearly a year ago when the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves determined that 88 percent of the units were not prepared for the fight, the panel says in a new report released Thursday.
The independent commission is charged by Congress to recommend changes in law and policy concerning the Guard and Reserves.
The commission's 400-page report concludes that the nation "does not have sufficient trained, ready forces available" to respond to a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons incident, "an appalling gap that places the nation and its citizens at greater risk."
"Right now we don't have the forces we need, we don't have them trained, we don't have the equipment," commission Chairman Arnold Punaro said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Even though there is a lot going on in this area, we need to do a lot more. ... There's a lot of things in the pipeline, but in the world we live in -- you're either ready or you're not."
In response, Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, chief of U.S. Northern command, said the Pentagon is putting together a specialized military team that would be designed to respond to such catastrophic events.
Of course, Ron Paul has been saying this for months, and he's been speaking out agansit our economic policy and foreign operations for years. It sure would suck to have someone with such foresight and dedication to acting in the face of adversity in the White House.
Of course, the answer could never be to bring our troops home to defend ourselves here, while simultanteously removing the incentive for radicals in other nations to seek action agansit us. I'm sure the answer is increased federal spending and a draft.
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Where is this catastrophic attack on our country coming from?!
This is fear mongering of the worst kind.
Is Canada invading Detroit? Is Mexico staging a take-over of El Paso?
Who exactly do we need 500,000 troops here to defend AGAINST? How are national guard units going to prevent a terrorist attack? Since you cannot actually be advocating that a conventional attack is possible?
That would be out in left field, even for you...
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Madtowntripper said:ahh Thats pretty close to just blatant trolling. Are you a little defensive today?
Answering a stupid question with the obvious is blatant trolling?
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Hey, at least my candidate has won something. Ron Paul has not, can not, and will not ever win a single primary. Your irrational belief to the contrary flies in the face of all the evidence and borders on religious fervor.
I may quote you on that definite statement in a couple of days. Anyways, he beat all but one candidate in Nevada, and beat every candidate in the Louisiana caucus, taking second behind an uncommited delegate slate. I have no respect for Obama's wins as he's just some media-sponsored candidate with no real substance. The fact that Ron Paul has done so well strictly on his own merit and the support of the American people is a much greater accomplishment.
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No, you said you'd shut the fuck up if he didn't win. He didn't win, and you haven't changed one bit.
Referring, of course, debate in PA&L. This was created as a global sticky for a specific purpose, and it has been a couple of months since Iowa, so I think you're just being blatantly obtuse.
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You're still arrogant. You're still conceited. And your sole debate tactic remains insulting other people and questioning their reading comprehension.
Nonsense, I'm simply responding in like kind to the exhibited behavior of you and OMR that is very much in the same vein. There is discussion of the ideas presented, and then there is this petty squabbling back and forth that you are just as guilty in perpetuating. You're the one who has turned this into a direct personalisms debate, not me. I haven't made any statements regarding your personal nature, yet you refer to me as arrogant, condescending, etc. There is a difference between having fun with emoticons and pointed statements, and simply being bluntly engaged in personalisms with no substance. For you to declare some misconception of my "sole debate tatic" in such a manner is simply inaccurate. I productively engage in discussion of the ideas first and foremost, although I admit I give incentive for individuals with no interest in engaging in debate to focus on nothing but emoticons and the occasional pointed jab I make in the course of actually debating ideas. Also, I've only suggested that a small handful of people could use some reading comprehension over time, so maybe you're just one of those people who could use some? 
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You can call me brainwashed or stupid all you want, but I at am able to make the logical leap to understand that other people hold viewpoints contrary to my own, which seems to be absolutely beyond you.
If that is how it seems to you, then it is pretty unfortunate because I'd have previously given you more credit than to reach such a conclusion. It is amazing to think that, in the course of engaging in a debate between contrary viewpoints, that I would not recognize that others hold a contrary viewpoint. 
I'm still trying to grasp that one... people... hold differing viewpoints than my own?
I appreciate you acknowleding that I can call you brainwashed or stupid all I want, but I personally do not resort to such simple-minded allegations of the personal nature of others, even as others create poorly-constructed strawmen asserting otherwise.
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Madtowntripper said: Where is this catastrophic attack on our country coming from?!
Who knows? I'm sure people asked the same question before 9/11 as well. We've certainly given incentive for individuals in the Middle East to seek to threaten our national security. Sometimes people in this country, unaffiliated with terrorist organizations and acting underneath the radar, perform acts like what occured in Oklahoma.
To think that it is unnecessary to be prepared to effectively respond to catastrophe, man-made or natural, because we can't identify now where such a threat might be produced from is severely negligent.
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This is fear mongering of the worst kind.
Balderdash. Fear mongering is selling to the American people Islamic fascism as a justification for the removal of our civil liberties, the crippling of our economy from occupying the Middle East, and threatening our national security by giving incentive for us to be attacked.
An objective commentary on a state of being unprepared for a potentiality is not fear-mongering, especially as such catastrophes have occured in the past and will occur again.
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Is Canada invading Detroit? Is Mexico staging a take-over of El Paso?
Not to my knowledge, in either case, but I don't think anyone is identifying any risk from either possibility.
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Who exactly do we need 500,000 troops here to defend AGAINST? How are national guard units going to prevent a terrorist attack? Since you cannot actually be advocating that a conventional attack is possible?
The assessment I quoted wasn't regarding a conventional attack, so I'm not certain I understand why you are suggesting that I am presenting the viewpoint that such is possible.
Ron Paul has spoken out agansit how our pre-emptive offense is threatening our national security and whittling away our national defense. Here is an official assessment regarding the latter.
What would having 500,000 troops home in the United States defend agansit? Well, for one thing, it would defend our troops from being exposed to warfare, which weakens our troops strategically, and destroys them physically and psychologically. Having our troops home would secure our borders, which would go great distances towards alleviating the problem of illegal immigration, as well as working agansit the potentiality that some kind of weapon was introduced into our country. It would defend agansit provoking others to attack us here at home by creating inevitable hostility that results from occupying their land. It would defend agansit economic turmoil by ensuring we were not engaging in enormous federal spending overseas....
Need I go on?
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When is the election?
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November
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7965070 - 02/01/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 10 hours ago) |
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It can't come soon enough so we can stop hearing about Ron Paul and how he, and only he can save the world. You'd think he'd have the dignity to drop out now. Millions of dollars and 0 wins later he's no closer to being president then I am
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7965087 - 02/01/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 10 hours ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: November
Really? I thought it was next week for some reason.
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Super Tuesday is next week.
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Wow, you're really not helping Ron Paul's case by being such a smug, arrogant ass toward those who don't see things the way you do. Do you really feel that it's necessary to respond to people who disagree with you by insulting or patronizing them?
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: idiotek]
#7965396 - 02/01/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 8 hours ago) |
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7965444 - 02/01/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 8 hours ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: Super Tuesday is next week.
And what is Super Tuesday?
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WhiskeyClone said: Super Tuesday is next week.
And what is Super Tuesday?
I believe you get 10 percent off your groceries.
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7965501 - 02/01/08 04:06 PM (16 years, 8 hours ago) |
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Sounds cool. Is it a regular thing?
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Yes.
In case you care enough to read a paragraph or two:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday
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Re: Donate Today For Freedom! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7965547 - 02/01/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Once every four years then. I wouldn't class that as regular
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