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1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along.
#7963596 - 02/01/08 06:20 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Hi everyone
This is my first post and I hope I'm posting in the right location. I have been lurking around reading as much as I could for the past month or two. During this time, I was hunting around for all the required materials, and boy were they difficult to find. It seemed like a hunting down equipment to produce an elixir or something. Well, I've finally found all the things that I think is required, even though some were not exactly to recommendations.
1) 5 X 300ml tupperware type container 2) 1 Pack of verm (i think it might be too coarse, will break it down prior to use) 3) 1 pack of pearlite 4) 1 bottle of alcohol 5) 3 X 10ml syringes 6) 3 X 21 gauge needles (Just can't find 18 gauge ones) 7)1 bag of BRF (there are moth like bugs in the bag now, will probably get a fresh bag) 8) 1 Shot glass 9) 1 Golden Teacher Print (currently in container with desiccant in fridge)
I will be preparing the syringes from the print that I ordered and will probably start in a day or two's time. What I need is feedback and inputs along the way to guide me. The materials that I got is sufficient to get me through the incubation period and i will start looking for materials for the terrarium after inoculation.
So any comments or things to take note of along the way is appreciated. Also would i be better off preparing 1 syringe at a time for use and store the prints in the fridge or should i use up the print to make as many syringes as possible & store them for future use?
cheers mak
Edited by kameleon (02/01/08 07:01 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963617 - 02/01/08 06:30 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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First, welcome to the Shroomery! I'm assuming you have 1/2 pint widemouth jars as well? My advice would be to read your teks THOUROUGHLY and follow them TO THE LETTER. Good luck on your first grow man, sounds like you're set!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kingboomer]
#7963627 - 02/01/08 06:35 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963646 - 02/01/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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I'm feeling paranoid about doing something stupid with the print that i received. The print that I ordered came in an envelope and when i opened it, the print (folded aluminium foil - i have not unfolded it yet) was wrapped in an A4 paper.
When I saw that, my first reaction was to keep it in a clean, dry and cool place. So what I did was take a tupperware container from the kitchen cabinet, found a used desiccant sachet and stored both the print and sachet in the container, sealed it and put it in the fridge.
Now the thing was that I did not sterilise the container and the 'cleanliness' of the sachet is questionable. So now i'm not sure if i have contaminated the print even before i start!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963647 - 02/01/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963650 - 02/01/08 06:46 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: I'm feeling paranoid about doing something stupid with the print that i received. The print that I ordered came in an envelope and when i opened it, the print (folded aluminium foil - i have not unfolded it yet) was wrapped in an A4 paper.
When I saw that, my first reaction was to keep it in a clean, dry and cool place. So what I did was take a tupperware container from the kitchen cabinet, found a used desiccant sachet and stored both the print and sachet in the container, sealed it and put it in the fridge.
Now the thing was that I did not sterilise the container and the 'cleanliness' of the sachet is questionable. So now i'm not sure if i have contaminated the print even before i start!
I wouldnt be too worried about that, it should be fine as long as you keep it folded until you are ready to use
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7963668 - 02/01/08 06:57 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate. I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
As for the fruiting chamber, I'm planning to use the rubbermaid with damp perlite method. Seems like the lowest cost and least maintenance to me. Any other suggestions?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963701 - 02/01/08 07:24 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
Also you should keep in mind that the mycelium might "eat" through your tupperware. I mean it does eat through aluminum so...Let alone the melting issue while PC
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963715 - 02/01/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate. I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
As for the fruiting chamber, I'm planning to use the rubbermaid with damp perlite method. Seems like the lowest cost and least maintenance to me. Any other suggestions?
we've got quite a few aussie brothers on here maybe they can point you in the right direction, as to where you can get canning jars down under
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: brainsOplenty]
#7963742 - 02/01/08 07:51 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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KEEP EVERYTHING STERILE AS POSSIBLE! remember being too sterile doesn't exsits!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963878 - 02/01/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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kameleon said:
I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
That might not be a good idea. Baking the BRF/verm mix might dry it out. Do some searches just to be sure first
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963882 - 02/01/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate.
I can't get the kerr jars either. I use 1/2 pint glasses/tumblers with tin foil lids (search out pf tek for simple minds).
I have a feeling that the tupperware lids might not survive a steam or 2. If they don't and the body survives you can always use tin foil lids on the tupperware.
Good luck...
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: HeadFood]
#7963885 - 02/01/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
That might not be a good idea. Baking the BRF/verm mix might dry it out. Do some searches just to be sure first
I think he was going to pre-bake it, meaning prior to making his substrate. I agree, baking isnt really an acceptable substitute for pressure cooking and he probably wont be successful.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7967735 - 02/02/08 06:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the valuable inputs. I will be using this steamer that I found in my kitchen.



I've got 2 questions before I begin preparing my syringe tomorrow:
1) Would i be better off preparing 1 syringe at a time for use and store the prints in the fridge or should i use up the print to make as many syringes as possible & store them for future use?
2) Can I skip the part on sterilising the syringe as i will be using new syringes and needles?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7967738 - 02/02/08 06:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I usually use 1/2 print per syringe and that gives me very dark syringes. It also depends on the size of your print.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7967754 - 02/02/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks Killer. I've not opened up to have a look at the print. So do you keep the unused portion of the print for future use or do you make 2 syringes out of one print?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969408 - 02/02/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks Killer. I've not opened up to have a look at the print. So do you keep the unused portion of the print for future use or do you make 2 syringes out of one print?
Ive done both. Usually I just go ahead and make 2 syringes though, you can store syringes for months so its just less hassle to make them both at the same time.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7969585 - 02/02/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can I get away without sterilising new syringes and needles?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969643 - 02/02/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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kameleon said: Can I get away without sterilising new syringes and needles?
Personally id sterilize them just to be on the safe side, itd suck to waste a print then end up contaminating your entire grow because of 30 mins of sterilizing, ya know?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969692 - 02/02/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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New needles / Syringes in packaging are sterile.
You can Pressure cook Polypropylene Plastic containers and bags.
Glad make some in various tapered sizes with blue lids. Look for a little embossed triangle on the bottom with "PP" inside it. The only precaution you must take is put a plate in the water on the bottom of your cooker so the plastic does not sit directly on the hot metal.
If you have any doubts about bags or containers just stuff them in a big glass jar and cook em. if they melt just chuck the jar and the pressure cooker stays clean.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#7969751 - 02/02/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You may as well make the jump from steamer to pressure cooker right away, it will save you some hassle and a shaky start.
What you have will pasteurize and take twice as long as a small pressure cooker. Contaminants curl up into little protective cysts that may survive pasteurization and start to eat your stuff when it cools.
If you insist on using the steamer keep your BRF jars somewhere for a week after you cook them and discard any that start growing stuff. Any that don't start growing stuff can be inoculated with a good chance of success.
After all you wouldn't want to waste your only print would you?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#7970041 - 02/02/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont understand why people get into this hobby and cant buy a $50 pressure cooker. I mean this is an extremely cheap hobby. Try auto racing where one part will cost you $200. Any adult who cant afford to buy a pressure cooker should not even attempt to grow. I think this forum is filled with under aged kids who have no jobs. Get a PC do it right then your rewards will be equal to your effort.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7970890 - 02/02/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: Personally id sterilize them just to be on the safe side, itd suck to waste a print then end up contaminating your entire grow because of 30 mins of sterilizing, ya know?
Point taken, Killer.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#7970900 - 02/02/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Peterthinks said: You may as well make the jump from steamer to pressure cooker right away, it will save you some hassle and a shaky start.
What you have will pasteurize and take twice as long as a small pressure cooker. Contaminants curl up into little protective cysts that may survive pasteurization and start to eat your stuff when it cools.
If you insist on using the steamer keep your BRF jars somewhere for a week after you cook them and discard any that start growing stuff. Any that don't start growing stuff can be inoculated with a good chance of success.
After all you wouldn't want to waste your only print would you?
I'll take your advice, Pete. Will sterilise them then leave for a week prior to inoculation. I'm not in a rush anyway.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7970907 - 02/02/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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To sterilize syringes, I dont even use a PC. I just boil them for 30-40 minutes. That has always worked for me. Ive always been skeptical of putting syringes into a PC, im too worried they would melt on me.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Cloneufc]
#7970934 - 02/02/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cloneufc said: I dont understand why people get into this hobby and cant buy a $50 pressure cooker. I mean this is an extremely cheap hobby. Try auto racing where one part will cost you $200. Any adult who cant afford to buy a pressure cooker should not even attempt to grow. I think this forum is filled with under aged kids who have no jobs. Get a PC do it right then your rewards will be equal to your effort.
There are alot of things in this world that we do not understand. Me not wanting to get a pressure cooker at this point in time is one of them for you to decipher if it bothers you that much
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7985011 - 02/05/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: To sterilize syringes, I dont even use a PC. I just boil them for 30-40 minutes. That has always worked for me. Ive always been skeptical of putting syringes into a PC, im too worried they would melt on me.
You can PC them.you can even do it with water in them and you have one ready to make spore syringes with. just squirt and suck....or is that porn, I get em mixed up.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#8092827 - 03/02/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tips, Peter.
Its been awhile and i've been slacking even though i've gotten everything i need. I've followed your advice on steam sterilising the jars prior to inoculation and letting them sit for 1 week. These were the 3 jars that were packed and ready for sterilisation on 10 Feb. The thing i realised was that the substrate looks very dry, and not like those that i saw in the literature that looked more 'sludgy'. I just followed the recommended amounts of water, BRF & Verm.

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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8092851 - 03/02/08 07:29 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Once the jars were given the all clear from contamination, I proceeded to make my syringe from the print. I decided to avoid more possibilities of contamination by using a new syringe and not sterilising it for fear that i might screw it up! One mistake i realised i made after inoculation was that I waited for the sterilised water to cool completely before opening the new syringe and needle to suck up the water and mix it with the spores. I should have sucked the water once its been sterilised and let it cool in the syringe.
Good thing was that its been 17 days and there's no sign of contamination in the 3 inoculated jars. Here's the jars on 27 Feb. All 3 jars inoculated showing nice signs of growth, with one jar slightly slower than the other 2.

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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8092876 - 03/02/08 07:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should really get some finer graded verm! There's so much airholes in between your verm layer, that it wouldn't be too hard for contams to get through...
Good luck with your grow, though
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8092881 - 03/02/08 07:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will be getting my terrarium ready in the next couple of weeks. I will be using the storage container and wet perlite method to get humidity up as high as possible. I've done quite a lot of reading up to the point of inoculation but haven't done much research on birthing and beyond. I remember i read from some post about dunking the birthed cakes in water and also on 'casing'.
Can someone please give me a link to some literature or posts on the 2 subjects as I hardly get the chance to get on the internet. Please just ignore if you don't feel like helping out.
cheers
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8092889 - 03/02/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: You should really get some finer graded verm! There's so much airholes in between your verm layer, that it wouldn't be too hard for contams to get through...
Good luck with your grow, though
Yeah i know, face. It was way coarser than what you see in the pics. I had to open the pack of verm up and rubbed them down as much as i could to get it to whats in the pics. That was the only place i know where to get verm from and would look for finer grades for my next grow. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8092914 - 03/02/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why don't you just order some from ebay? You can get all grades you want from there and it doesn't really cost too much. At least when you get a big sack full of it.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8092922 - 03/02/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try walmart or lowes or home depot or any plant store in America.
I could only find the ultra thin vermiculite
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#8093253 - 03/02/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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just use drinking glass with foil over it and rubber band like in the pf-tek here
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek
thats what i did, i got mine at the dollard store near my house, 4 for 1$
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: perlinpinpin]
#8244553 - 04/05/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its been awhile since i last updated my grow. The golden teachers have just had their first flush that i harvested yesterday. They are sitting infront of the fan to dry out now. Tonight, I will clean the cake up, give them another dunk, ready for the second flush.
I used the dunk tek to make sure i get a good harvest. I put 2 of the cakes into seperate zip lock bags and left them in the fridge overnight for 18 hours. After that i transfered them to a terrarium that i built with a container and damp pearlite. I fan it about 4 times a day and the temperature & humidity's around 24 degrees C, and 80+% respectively.
I did not realise that it was so easy growing them, and I would say the most difficult part for me was acquiring all the required materials and making do with what i could get my hands on.
What I realised was that sterilising the containers and mixture was the most crucial bit for me as I used new needles and syringes for innocultation. Waiting a week for the sterilised mixture to show any contamination was a very good idea that i employed. Once i got past that, everything was smooth sailing.
Here's a few pictures post incubation with the few growths coming out. I've got a few more pics of the harvested quantity that i'll post later.

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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8244623 - 04/05/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are a few more pics of the harvest.


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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8244650 - 04/05/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got a couple of questions before i think about consuming them after they've dried properly. I noticed that there's mold growing at the base of nearly every mushroom... is that normal? I'm not quite sure if you could pick it up from the pics. What I did was to cut the moldy part off, but while i did that the cut turned blue.
Is that normal as well?

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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8244696 - 04/05/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when you handle p. cubensis mushrooms, when they bruise they are suppose to turn blue. So I guess thats a good sign
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Xobil3]
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Yeah that's not mould.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8245269 - 04/06/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well done kameleon and thanks for sharing your first grow with us.  That's a nice first batch, couple of mosters there.
The 'mold' at the base of the shrooms is just mycelium and is normal and edible. The blue bruising is normal and is due to the oxidization of active compounds.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8245697 - 04/06/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks, thats reassuring.
The mold that i'm referring to is the white part near the base of the biggest shroom in this pic. Its very clear for this particular shroom and the white stuff is there for most of teh rest of them. I'm just paranoid that i might ingest some mold or something & get sick during the trip... that would be a real bummer!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8245719 - 04/06/08 07:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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dang you got nothing
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: shaggydogman]
#8245720 - 04/06/08 07:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Shaggy... thats what I needed to hear. Yes the white stuff looks like mycelium and i was just worried that its not edible.
I will update the rest of my flushes soon. Thanks everyone for all the advice that made this grow such a breeze.
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shaggydogman said: Well done kameleon and thanks for sharing your first grow with us.  That's a nice first batch, couple of mosters there.
The 'mold' at the base of the shrooms is just mycelium and is normal and edible. The blue bruising is normal and is due to the oxidization of active compounds.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#8247473 - 04/06/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about using a microwave for sterilization of plastic jars?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: bangstock]
#8247538 - 04/06/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can use a microwave to sterilize. I've never tried it though, I just melt agar with it then pressure cook to sterilize. If you want to try microwave sterilization make sure your container can handle it. Look for a "PP" in a triangle on the bottom or a "5" in a triangle on the bottom. PP means polypropylene. You can pressure cook PP containers too. What do you want to use the jars for?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Peterthinks]
#8248851 - 04/06/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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To sterilize only the containers, I think MWs are a great and fast alternative. I never had any problems with it, though I also never had any problems without doing it. However I always microwave my trays when something contaminated I don't want to through anyway the tray.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8254685 - 04/08/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is the way I dried the shrooms. Once harvested, I set them on a plate & put it infront of a fan for 2 days of drying. Once thats done, I transfer them to a big container with a container of damp rid inside. I should have gotten some wire mesh to construct a proper drying chamber but the hardware store did not have loose wire mesh for sale so this had to do. Below is my drying chamber and also the dried first batch.
I'm planning to keep it in the drying chamber then transfer them to zip lock bags with some desiccant and store them in the fridge.


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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8254714 - 04/08/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is the 2nd batch from the first flush... I harvested them then dunked the cakes, ready for the terrarium tomorrow for their second flush. Although not huge in size, i'm very satisfied with this batch as it looks like what most people are getting, nice compact, healthy shrooms on the cake.


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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8254718 - 04/08/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is the damp-rid you are using perfumed in any way?
I bought a closet-hanger style ramp-rid once and tried it - it was perfumed and really ruined a few small 'test' shrooms.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: amanitavirosa]
#8254726 - 04/08/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow... you sure gave me a scare. I immediately went to take a sniff, and no, its not perfumed.
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I bought a closet-hanger style ramp-rid once and tried it - it was perfumed and really ruined a few small 'test' shrooms.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8254736 - 04/08/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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kameleon said: Wow... you sure gave me a scare. I immediately went to take a sniff, and no, its not perfumed.
Lol - sorry about that. The volatiles in the perfume really ruin things. I would advise anyone to avoid perfumed desiccants such as the closet-hanger Damp-rid sold at Walm@rt.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8254752 - 04/08/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just took out my third birthed cake from the fridge earlier this evening, having dunked it for 24hrs. Its now in the terrarium with my other cake thats still in its first flush. I will harvest it tomorrow then dunk it for the second flush day after tomorrow.
I used less than half a print to make 3 cakes and they were all successful. I've just harvested 2 of them and the third one just went into the fruiting chamber. Looks like i'm gonna get quite a lot of shrooms just by following the excellent instructions around and also the tips from this forum. Thanks everyone! I might give making prints a go once my third cake fruits.
This is the fruiting chamber that I used. Its a no fuss setup with damp perlite, sides sprayed with water. Temp & humidity are 24 degrees C and 80+% respectively. I fan it about 4 or 5 times a day.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8255022 - 04/08/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good work for your first grow, enjoy the fruits of your labor
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: andrewss]
#8257097 - 04/08/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: andrewss]
#8263307 - 04/10/08 06:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks I will. I have been drying the shrooms and putting them in storage. Haven't the time to trip anytime soon. Will need to score some weed for the adventure.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8295147 - 04/17/08 07:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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 Flush 2, Cake 2.
 Flush 1, Cake 3.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8296369 - 04/17/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow those are some pretty shrooms. Makes me want to try some Golden Teacher myself. I have heard a lot of good things about it. Have you taken any of this batch yet?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: balinor]
#8300268 - 04/18/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not yet, I've got it all dried and in the freezer but just cant find the time to dose. I wanted to have a small dose this evening but the kids were playing up so decided against it. Maybe tomorrow.
In fact i've not even tried shrooms yet. When I was much younger, i was very much into tripping though. I'm not sure if its similar in experience but remember that its not so much the chemical itself but more on the mood and setting. Anyway, will keep you updated on how i go.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8300689 - 04/18/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Again, very nice cakes 
Tripping might be somewhat different, now that you're older, since -as you already said- the mood your in and the character that has developed over the years, have an great influence on how the trip develops.
Anyway,y you should be fine. I wish you all the best
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8300699 - 04/18/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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very nice i hope my first grow goes that good
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: polyflakes]
#8322276 - 04/24/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its really pretty straightforward. Just follow the tek closely and keep things as sterile as possible would most likely yield good results. I did not expect this grow to be so successful, in fact, I would have been happy just to make it through the inoculation bit without contamination!
I think patience would help heaps too as I did not rush it at all if you went back to when I first started.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8322323 - 04/24/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Fahk.
Well i finally found the right time to trip this afternoon. I had half the day off from work and will be going for a 2 week vacation tomorrow so I was in a pretty good mood today.
Came back at about 1pm, had lunch and added a handful of shrooms to my food. I wasn't quite sure how much to take as the shrooms were all dried so i took the cautious route and underdose for this first trip, just to do a test drive.
It would have been just nice had i doubled the dose but i had a pretty good trip nonetheless. The effects came on pretty quickly in about 1/2 hour, and the intensity of the come-on was very similar to acid or a bad e. At one point, i was having difficulty speaking and wanted to just close my eyes, but i was playing with my daughters so i did not have the opportunity to just space off. The effects started going off after over 3 hours and by 6 pm i was back on terra firma.
Once past the initial bit, i brought one of my daughters to the park so that she could entertain herself at the playground while i just lay under the beautiful skies today. I did not get too much visuals and it wasn't that intense, especially after we went outdoors. It was just one peaced out trip today and nothing too hardcore.
The last time i tripped was about 10 years ago and that period resulted in a re-direction of where i was heading. The reason i came into growing shrooms was i wanted to do a 'stocktake' of where i'm headed after these ten years and i'm glad to say that things are on the right track.
I can't wait till i do a proper dose but that would probably be in a months time. Next time round, i would try to score some weed to complement the trip and maybe some no2 to really space it out. I will have to plan it out and see how far i want to take it now that i'm not as much the cowboy that i was before
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Tripping might be somewhat different, now that you're older, since -as you already said- the mood your in and the character that has developed over the years, have an great influence on how the trip develops.
Anyway,y you should be fine. I wish you all the best
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8322472 - 04/24/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Consuming the fruits with your food isn't the smartest thing to do, since your blood sugar level seems to have an direct influence on how hard you trip.
So, for the next time you shouldn't eat about four hours before the trip. Once you're on, you're not hungry anyway. Not eating too long before a trip, kind of ruins it for me, since I feel very uncomfortable during the trip. So a hearty breakfast of dinner (depending on when you plan to trip) is a personal advise from me 
Another one is get yourself a precise digital scale. The amounts you eat may vary a lot in weight, although they look to be rather small!
Try to get yourself someone to trip with. I think this is quiet important for someone who's "new" to tripping.
And the last thing is not to deal with your daughter, after you've eaten a bigger amount. This is not about you, but once you reached a certain level of trip intensity, you're behaviour might change, especially when you have a bad one. You might scare your daughter a lot, if things turn out to be too crazy!
Anyway, It's good to hear, that your first trip after ten years, turned out to be a nice one
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8322937 - 04/24/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Consuming the fruits with your food isn't the smartest thing to do, since your blood sugar level seems to have an direct influence on how hard you trip.
since when? i've eaten shrooms before on a peanut butter sandwich and i was fine didnt influence how hard i tripped at all
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8323046 - 04/24/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Beside my own experience, it's nothing new, that eating in front of taking mushrooms, decreases the intensity of a trip.
I've experienced it multiple times, though this doesn't mean anything.
However, there are multiple appendages what causes this effect.
I've heard different things about it. Weather it's the blood sugar level or simply the fact that you organism has a lot to chew from. Means: if you have a full stomach, the mushrooms ain't assimilated as fast and as good as if you haven't had meal before.
Personally I have bigger problems to with tripping as good as with an empty stomach, even after I've eaten only some chocolate, but don't have any problems when I've eaten puffed rice, which leads me to believe, that there is a relation between the blood sugar level and the trip intensity.
What ever it might be, it's sufficiently known, that eating before a trip, decreases it's intensity.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8323124 - 04/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think eating before the trip is a bad thing but eating it with breakfast lunch or dinner is perfect. Like inside what ur eating..... pizza is the best one to date.... and ice cream just always seems to mellow the trip out..
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8323242 - 04/24/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Beside my own experience, it's nothing new, that eating in front of taking mushrooms, decreases the intensity of a trip.
I've experienced it multiple times, though this doesn't mean anything.
However, there are multiple appendages what causes this effect.
I've heard different things about it. Weather it's the blood sugar level or simply the fact that you organism has a lot to chew from. Means: if you have a full stomach, the mushrooms ain't assimilated as fast and as good as if you haven't had meal before.
Personally I have bigger problems to with tripping as good as with an empty stomach, even after I've eaten only some chocolate, but don't have any problems when I've eaten puffed rice, which leads me to believe, that there is a relation between the blood sugar level and the trip intensity.
What ever it might be, it's sufficiently known, that eating before a trip, decreases it's intensity.
Are you saying that chocolate will effect blood sugar more than puffed rice? because puffed rice raises blood sugar levels quite fast, it's all about the complex carbs
i see it as if there's food in your stomach it's going to take longer to set in because your stomach has to process that too, if you eat a big full meal before you trip then it's not going to be as intense because you have a full stomach and it's going to take longer for you to feel it and set in, on the other hand when you eat on a completely empty stomach it's going to set in a lot faster and more intense
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8324395 - 04/24/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah it's all about how full your stomach is, rather than blood sugar levels. Icanttype and myself are pretty knowledgeable about BSLs
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8325193 - 04/24/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you saying that chocolate will effect blood sugar more than puffed rice? because puffed rice raises blood sugar levels quite fast, it's all about the complex carbs
Yes, I say so, since the complex carbs that are included in puffed rice need longer to be broken down into glucose than simple carbs (normal sugar = included in chocolate). Therefore the the blood sugar level doesn't raise as rapidly (and intense), as when you have eaten chocolate = sugar.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8325569 - 04/25/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not the full picture. The fat content in chocolate slows down the absorption rate of the sugar in it, while the complete lack of fibre in puffed rice means the carbohydrate can be broken down very quickly. As a result, puffed rice will raise your blood sugar level much faster than chocolate.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8325880 - 04/25/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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what i like to do is eat good one day, stay up all night and not eat the next day. then around noon that next day eat a nice 5-6g's and im set
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Supplier]
#8326544 - 04/25/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not the full picture. The fat content in chocolate slows down the absorption rate of the sugar in it, while the complete lack of fiber in puffed rice means the carbohydrate can be broken down very quickly. As a result, puffed rice will raise your blood sugar level much faster than chocolate.
You again didn't show the full picture as well 
It's true that fat enfolds the carbs of the chocolate and aggravates the absorption in the intestine. However, chocolate carbs are Monosaccharides, that can be broken down very quickly, while the rice carbs are Polysaccharides, where the break down process is a lot slower and more complicated. The break down of Polysaccharides takes more time than the absorption and break down of Monosaccharides, even if they are fat enfolded.
This means, that the chocolate is absorbed faster than the puffed rice.
BTW: Puffed rice contains fiber, although it's very few
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8326562 - 04/25/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The GI of puffed rice is 88. Chocolate is more like 70. I'm a diabetic so I have to know the GI of most foods and I would never ever go near puffed rice.
I understand what you're saying re: saccharides, but the difference is not enough to overcome the fat effect and the fact that puffed rice is low in fibre and very processed (and high surface area). Trust me, chocolate has a lower GI.
Which is good...
edit: actually chocolate contains sucrose which is a disaccharide. A crucial difference; the GI of sucrose is only 80 (glucose is 100).
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8326583 - 04/25/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I looked that up...
Weird... I was told wrong 
Haha, you've won the battle, but the war ain't over yet! 
So the theory of the blood sugar / trip intensity is more or less vitiated. This can only mean... My god! It has to be the absorption in the stomach!...
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8326684 - 04/25/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that's what I put it down to. I've tripped when my blood sugar was high (since I have a meter) and it didn't seem any different. Haven't tried when it was low, but since that's dangerous for me I wouldn't want to...
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8326980 - 04/25/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i always wondered about diabetics and shrooms... it seems like it wouldn't be a good idea.... but i guess you can !!!! Thats just part of life for you though.... and if you needed to raise your blood sugar im sure you could.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8327847 - 04/25/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've injected insulin while tripping. Took me 10x as long because my mind kept wandering around but I did it in the end. When you've had it most of your life it's all pretty automatic. Managing it isn't that hard.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8331310 - 04/26/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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zouden said: I've injected insulin while tripping. Took me 10x as long because my mind kept wandering around but I did it in the end. When you've had it most of your life it's all pretty automatic. Managing it isn't that hard.
im on a pump and had to put a new battery in it while i was trippin took me a little while but i did it, mushrooms dont effect blood sugar at all but one thing i read is that LSD slightly raises blood sugars, a slightly raised blood sugar is a lot easier to manage while tripping, than a blood sugar that would rapidly drop and cause you to be low
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8331353 - 04/26/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that would suck balls
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