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kameleon
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1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along.
#7963596 - 02/01/08 06:20 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Hi everyone
This is my first post and I hope I'm posting in the right location. I have been lurking around reading as much as I could for the past month or two. During this time, I was hunting around for all the required materials, and boy were they difficult to find. It seemed like a hunting down equipment to produce an elixir or something. Well, I've finally found all the things that I think is required, even though some were not exactly to recommendations.
1) 5 X 300ml tupperware type container 2) 1 Pack of verm (i think it might be too coarse, will break it down prior to use) 3) 1 pack of pearlite 4) 1 bottle of alcohol 5) 3 X 10ml syringes 6) 3 X 21 gauge needles (Just can't find 18 gauge ones) 7)1 bag of BRF (there are moth like bugs in the bag now, will probably get a fresh bag) 8) 1 Shot glass 9) 1 Golden Teacher Print (currently in container with desiccant in fridge)
I will be preparing the syringes from the print that I ordered and will probably start in a day or two's time. What I need is feedback and inputs along the way to guide me. The materials that I got is sufficient to get me through the incubation period and i will start looking for materials for the terrarium after inoculation.
So any comments or things to take note of along the way is appreciated. Also would i be better off preparing 1 syringe at a time for use and store the prints in the fridge or should i use up the print to make as many syringes as possible & store them for future use?
cheers mak
Edited by kameleon (02/01/08 07:01 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963617 - 02/01/08 06:30 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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First, welcome to the Shroomery! I'm assuming you have 1/2 pint widemouth jars as well? My advice would be to read your teks THOUROUGHLY and follow them TO THE LETTER. Good luck on your first grow man, sounds like you're set!
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kameleon
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kingboomer]
#7963627 - 02/01/08 06:35 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963646 - 02/01/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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I'm feeling paranoid about doing something stupid with the print that i received. The print that I ordered came in an envelope and when i opened it, the print (folded aluminium foil - i have not unfolded it yet) was wrapped in an A4 paper.
When I saw that, my first reaction was to keep it in a clean, dry and cool place. So what I did was take a tupperware container from the kitchen cabinet, found a used desiccant sachet and stored both the print and sachet in the container, sealed it and put it in the fridge.
Now the thing was that I did not sterilise the container and the 'cleanliness' of the sachet is questionable. So now i'm not sure if i have contaminated the print even before i start!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963647 - 02/01/08 06:44 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963650 - 02/01/08 06:46 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: I'm feeling paranoid about doing something stupid with the print that i received. The print that I ordered came in an envelope and when i opened it, the print (folded aluminium foil - i have not unfolded it yet) was wrapped in an A4 paper.
When I saw that, my first reaction was to keep it in a clean, dry and cool place. So what I did was take a tupperware container from the kitchen cabinet, found a used desiccant sachet and stored both the print and sachet in the container, sealed it and put it in the fridge.
Now the thing was that I did not sterilise the container and the 'cleanliness' of the sachet is questionable. So now i'm not sure if i have contaminated the print even before i start!
I wouldnt be too worried about that, it should be fine as long as you keep it folded until you are ready to use
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7963668 - 02/01/08 06:57 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate. I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
As for the fruiting chamber, I'm planning to use the rubbermaid with damp perlite method. Seems like the lowest cost and least maintenance to me. Any other suggestions?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963701 - 02/01/08 07:24 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks King.
The 1/2 pint jars are not available here and shipping them in is way too expensive so I am going to use 5 of the tupperware type that i found. They are slightly bigger than 1/2 pint and are tapered as well.
Also you should keep in mind that the mycelium might "eat" through your tupperware. I mean it does eat through aluminum so...Let alone the melting issue while PC
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963715 - 02/01/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago) |
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kameleon said:
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KillerPicklez said: How are you going to pressure cook substrate that is inside of tupperware? Me thinks they would melt.
You can get canning jars just about anywhere. Walmart has them, home depot and lowes, and pretty much any other supermarket or hardware store. Look for 1/2 pint Ball wide mouth jars.
What are you using for your fruiting chamber? I dont recall seeing any mention of that
I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate. I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
As for the fruiting chamber, I'm planning to use the rubbermaid with damp perlite method. Seems like the lowest cost and least maintenance to me. Any other suggestions?
we've got quite a few aussie brothers on here maybe they can point you in the right direction, as to where you can get canning jars down under
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: brainsOplenty]
#7963742 - 02/01/08 07:51 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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KEEP EVERYTHING STERILE AS POSSIBLE! remember being too sterile doesn't exsits!
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963878 - 02/01/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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kameleon said:
I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
That might not be a good idea. Baking the BRF/verm mix might dry it out. Do some searches just to be sure first
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7963882 - 02/01/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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kameleon said: I am in Australia and can't find any of the kerr or ball type jars. I don't have a pressure cooker and will most probably steam sterilise the tupperwared substrate.
I can't get the kerr jars either. I use 1/2 pint glasses/tumblers with tin foil lids (search out pf tek for simple minds).
I have a feeling that the tupperware lids might not survive a steam or 2. If they don't and the body survives you can always use tin foil lids on the tupperware.
Good luck...
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: HeadFood]
#7963885 - 02/01/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 18 hours ago) |
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kameleon said:
I am planning to dry bake the verm and BFR in the oven to sterilise it first to minimise any possibilities for contamination.
That might not be a good idea. Baking the BRF/verm mix might dry it out. Do some searches just to be sure first
I think he was going to pre-bake it, meaning prior to making his substrate. I agree, baking isnt really an acceptable substitute for pressure cooking and he probably wont be successful.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7967735 - 02/02/08 06:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the valuable inputs. I will be using this steamer that I found in my kitchen.



I've got 2 questions before I begin preparing my syringe tomorrow:
1) Would i be better off preparing 1 syringe at a time for use and store the prints in the fridge or should i use up the print to make as many syringes as possible & store them for future use?
2) Can I skip the part on sterilising the syringe as i will be using new syringes and needles?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7967738 - 02/02/08 06:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I usually use 1/2 print per syringe and that gives me very dark syringes. It also depends on the size of your print.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7967754 - 02/02/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks Killer. I've not opened up to have a look at the print. So do you keep the unused portion of the print for future use or do you make 2 syringes out of one print?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969408 - 02/02/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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kameleon said: Thanks Killer. I've not opened up to have a look at the print. So do you keep the unused portion of the print for future use or do you make 2 syringes out of one print?
Ive done both. Usually I just go ahead and make 2 syringes though, you can store syringes for months so its just less hassle to make them both at the same time.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: KillerPicklez]
#7969585 - 02/02/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can I get away without sterilising new syringes and needles?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969643 - 02/02/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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kameleon said: Can I get away without sterilising new syringes and needles?
Personally id sterilize them just to be on the safe side, itd suck to waste a print then end up contaminating your entire grow because of 30 mins of sterilizing, ya know?
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#7969692 - 02/02/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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New needles / Syringes in packaging are sterile.
You can Pressure cook Polypropylene Plastic containers and bags.
Glad make some in various tapered sizes with blue lids. Look for a little embossed triangle on the bottom with "PP" inside it. The only precaution you must take is put a plate in the water on the bottom of your cooker so the plastic does not sit directly on the hot metal.
If you have any doubts about bags or containers just stuff them in a big glass jar and cook em. if they melt just chuck the jar and the pressure cooker stays clean.
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