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'I keep asking myself where to go from here, but if my observations have been correct, there's nowhere to go at all.'
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I choose a depressive state as a viable response.
I don't think one's emotional response to an art work is merely a choice. Certain images are naturally associated with emotions. Advertising is all about this kind of thing.
If you are correct then everyone will get the same emotional response from a given work of art. I don't think this is the case. While the choice you make may not be a conscious one I believe it is still your subjective choice. Advertising doesn't always have the desired effect on me.
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or you can see reality for what it is (nothing)
Which is more interesting and indicative of free-will: a preprogrammed purpose or fate (a paint-by-numbers); or a blank canvas wherein you choose and design your own destiny?
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Popeye and Bluto falling in love
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^ "who, me?"
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Haha Pluto totally kicks ass.  Thought I doubt he'd hang out with Popeye, he has spinach
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Olive Oyl would not be pleased
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She never is
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Haha true...
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I think this calls for an old-timer clip:
Parlez Vous Woo.
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That was obviously from the times Popeye and Bluto were playing with each other...
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OrgoneConclusion said: You almost got 'there'. The end result is not nothing, but freedom.
But if "depressing" is nothing, than "freedom" is nothing. What is the difference between freedom and nothing? I don't see one. By realizing that the nature of reality is an infinite nothing, how does that make one free? It seems like you are free to make one of two choices, you can either jump back into the fantasy that life has any meaning at all and go through cycles of suffering or joy(both totally artificial), or you can see reality for what it is (nothing) and just wait around to die.
when i said i wanted to post more, this is essentially the idea which i wanted to convey.
if you see X for what it is and stop choosing to experience the response it usually illicits, then what value does anything have? for example, someone might say "i watch futurama because it is funny". but if you jump out of the fantasy and stop allowing what you see to illicit responses within you, then how is watching futurama preferable to watching a blank wall? everything just becomes a boring meaningless perception. at least this is what happened to me when i thought this way. there was no love, no laughter, just the same constant blank state of mind all the time where i was merely observing my physical body respond to stimuli in ways appropriate for survival. i don't think that's what the buddha meant when he preached enlightenment, because if it is, why bother preaching it? fantasy is better, or if not better then at least just as good. in the world of fantasy at least there are things to get excited about, games to play, even if they are just make believe.
what if illusion is intentional? what if one day god got bored and so he decided to create an elaborate illusion which we call life and trick little parts of himself into thinking it was real so they could experience something amazing which would simply not be possible to experience if they knew the full truth of things?
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i thought this was going to be about E
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Re: X is depressing [Re: impgl]
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Then I would have titled it 'E is depressing'. See my thread on 'Thoughts vs. Thinking'...
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Re: X is depressing [Re: porcupine]
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porcupine said:there was no love, no laughter, just the same constant blank state of mind all the time where i was merely observing my physical body respond to stimuli in ways appropriate for survival. i don't think that's what the buddha meant when he preached enlightenment, because if it is, why bother preaching it? fantasy is better, or if not better then at least just as good.
this is where creation comes into play. once our unconscious/subconscious reactions are realized and brought into consciousness we have the ability to create how we feel about our interactions with the world. joy is not fantasy, it is a feeling - feelings are more real than any concept, and it can be created through heightening awareness and creating space within our conditioning.
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Re: X is depressing [Re: porcupine]
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porcupine said:
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gluke bastid said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: You almost got 'there'. The end result is not nothing, but freedom.
But if "depressing" is nothing, than "freedom" is nothing. What is the difference between freedom and nothing? I don't see one. By realizing that the nature of reality is an infinite nothing, how does that make one free? It seems like you are free to make one of two choices, you can either jump back into the fantasy that life has any meaning at all and go through cycles of suffering or joy(both totally artificial), or you can see reality for what it is (nothing) and just wait around to die.
when i said i wanted to post more, this is essentially the idea which i wanted to convey.
if you see X for what it is and stop choosing to experience the response it usually illicits, then what value does anything have? for example, someone might say "i watch futurama because it is funny". but if you jump out of the fantasy and stop allowing what you see to illicit responses within you, then how is watching futurama preferable to watching a blank wall? everything just becomes a boring meaningless perception. at least this is what happened to me when i thought this way. there was no love, no laughter, just the same constant blank state of mind all the time where i was merely observing my physical body respond to stimuli in ways appropriate for survival. i don't think that's what the buddha meant when he preached enlightenment, because if it is, why bother preaching it? fantasy is better, or if not better then at least just as good. in the world of fantasy at least there are things to get excited about, games to play, even if they are just make believe.
what if illusion is intentional? what if one day god got bored and so he decided to create an elaborate illusion which we call life and trick little parts of himself into thinking it was real so they could experience something amazing which would simply not be possible to experience if they knew the full truth of things?
Good reply. It reminds me of something Burroughs wrote once...that he was fundamentally oppossed to Buddhism or any school of thought that aimed to lessen the intensity of either suffering or joy. His spin was that you should actually do what you can to increase both, because that is where life took place.
I used to scoff at him, but the current existential crisis that I am in that is preventing me from feeling anything and is getting in the way of my sex life and creative life and relationship with my firends and girlfriend has me thinking he may be on to something.
All I know is that ever since I perceived my personality as an elaborate hoax, I have taken off the hoax suit but have been unable to replace it. I just feel a huge gaping hole where all the passion and dreams and love used to be. I really have no idea who I am. A man? I don't feel like that means anything.
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I choose a depressive state as a viable response.
I don't think one's emotional response to an art work is merely a choice. Certain images are naturally associated with emotions. Advertising is all about this kind of thing.
Yea, but emotional response isn't inherent from birth; it's learned.
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This actually sounds like an important time in your life Gluke. This is where you shed all the debris you picked up along the road of life and can make a conscious choice on what sort of man you want to be.
Back to the original thought in this thread. I am an optimist, my husband is a pessimist. In any given circumstance we will almost always have opposite reactions. Here's an example, last week we went to dinner. The transmission gasket in my car had just been replaced. After dinner we go out and find a large puddle of tranny fluid under the car. Now no one is happy about it (myself included) but where he went off thinking he just wasn't meant to have a good night and eventually got so upset he made himself sick, my response was "I'm glad we found it and were able to put more fluid in it to get it home without ruining the transmission."
It's all in a person's attitude or outlook.
Oh and I just can't help myself here, "Freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose" sound familiar anyone?
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Re: X is depressing [Re: mushbaby]
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mushbaby said: This actually sounds like an important time in your life Gluke. This is where you shed all the debris you picked up along the road of life and can make a conscious choice on what sort of man you want to be.
I guess that is a good point, however I can't get over the fact that all of my relationships with people who I love are sufferring. I don't want to think of my girlfriend in particular, who I have thought about proposing to many times, as "debris." Yet if I can't get out of this cycle of introverted, paranoid madness she is going to move on and I won't be able to blame her.
I've never been so unable to approach life with passion before.
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'...this cycle of introverted, paranoid madness...'
Do you mind explaining more about what you're going through??
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