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10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much.
    #7959867 - 01/31/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

PLEASE have an open ear when reading. I'm talking in the big scheme of things, regarding the music industry and in comparison to other bands.


1) Their collaboration with each other is, for lack of a better word, perfect. (I know this statement is opinion-based, but I just had to point it out.)

2) Their growth as a band over the last 15 years. Not to mention that they're still together when most bands from that era aren't.

3) They're NOT sell-out faggots like most bands ARE. They NEVER listen to anyone's input when making their music. They make producers look like bitches.

4) They push the ART!!

5) From a drummer and lyricist P.O.V., Danny Carey is the shit at drums and Maynard really IS a genius. (How he hears/writes those lyrics to those instrumentals is beyond me.)

6) Their live performances are the shit. (They pull off some hard shit live.)

7) Their first real album(Undertow) was awesome front to back and once they got Justin Chancellor, their new shit took off to a whole new level.

8) You can't just hear to TOOL, you have to listen to them! Feel the music and absorb it's attitude. (Try smokin a bowl, and drive around at night and blast your stereo to Eulogy or the Grudge. Preferably alone.)

9) Easily some of the best album(s) artwork, music videos, and live enhancements.

10) They're pretty much untouchable. They don't do what you want; they do what they want.

What else can a 'great band' ever want!?

I don't expect everyone to like TOOL but I can explain why a lot of people do. And I'm also trying to help people understand why I like them so much since so many other posts fail to do so. So NO hate please! I don't care how sour you are toward TOOL. This post ain't about that..........And to people who think a lot of TOOL fans worship and glorify Maynard...you're wrong. We respect him. He's just another man doomed to die like the rest of us. But he deserves his due credit...Feel free to add anything I might have missed.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7959882 - 01/31/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

i used to love tool.

now, not so much.. 10,000 days was a let-down for me, personally.

you should revise #8 to switch around hear and listen, and also not suggest that people take drugs and drive around listening to loud music. that is frowned upon in law enforcement and in the community.

tool is awesome either way.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7959891 - 01/31/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

what about this website isn't frowned upon by law enforcement and the community? ill just say that viewer discretion is advised..haha.

i originally had them switched and debated on if i should change them or not. now i know. thanks!


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7959896 - 01/31/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I like Tool and appreciate their musicianship and everything, but don't understand why their die hard fans use all caps as if the band is above using lowercase letters.

NEIL YOUNG is a really good song writer.  NEIL YOUNG can play piano, harmonica, and electric and acoustic guitar, among other instruments.  NEIL YOUNG has always made his own music and the music NEIL YOUNG makes is the music NEIL YOUNG wants to hear.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: skydog]
    #7959906 - 01/31/08 11:43 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

i never use caps.

FUCK caps.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: skydog]
    #7959909 - 01/31/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

that's how it appears on all their stuff so i assume it's what they want


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7959916 - 01/31/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

not on 10,000 days or lateralus.. ..or anything havin to do with those two cds


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7959920 - 01/31/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

i guess reading other people's posts corrupted me lol


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7959921 - 01/31/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

tool is fucking amazing
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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7960117 - 01/31/08 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

This should be a T-shirt

My friend tried to get my into Tool, but I sort of snubbed, I have a shit ton of free time now, mayhap I'll give them a whirl


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7960141 - 01/31/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

well...you had maybe 2 valid points. #8 was complete BS. You drive around at night with a bowl and most things will sound good.

That all said, I enjoy tool, but on a much lower level than many others on here do. 10,000 actually got me into them...but its not something I actively listen to.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Toddo]
    #7960366 - 01/31/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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10,000 actually got me into them...



Wow, I have never actually heard that said before.
Way to go on being unique.
Lateralus was the album they were born to write. I heard Undertow and didn't care much for it, loved Aenema when it came out, and was blown away by Lateralus. 10,000 Days is a decent album, but not nearly as timeless as it's predecessor. Maybe if they'd released it first, and Lateralus next, I'd have enjoyed it more.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Blend]
    #7960601 - 01/31/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

10.000 days got me into tool also. the good ones on that album are just so good.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7960694 - 01/31/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Yep, me too.  The rec center always played Vicarious when it was first released, and I really was digging it.  Then, The Pot came out, and after also enjoying it, I figured I should check out the rest of their stuff.  Glad I did :goodmorning:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Blend]
    #7960712 - 01/31/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Quote:

Toddo said:
10,000 actually got me into them...



Wow, I have never actually heard that said before.
Way to go on being unique.
Lateralus was the album they were born to write. I heard Undertow and didn't care much for it, loved Aenema when it came out, and was blown away by Lateralus. 10,000 Days is a decent album, but not nearly as timeless as it's predecessor. Maybe if they'd released it first, and Lateralus next, I'd have enjoyed it more.




I think 10,000 days spoke in a more universal musical language. ...but I really wouldn't consider myself a tool fan. I do remember tossing on Lateralus and thinking it was good but not something I was going to put a lot of thought into...just didn't connect with it.

When I put on 10,000...it kind of grabbed me right away. It opened them up to a new fan base...just like infected mushroom did with their latest.

I'll give their early stuff another shot sometime, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with bands making more universal music.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Toddo]
    #7960799 - 01/31/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Of course not.  There's nothing worse than having a band try to rewrite the same album over and over.  There are always those bands wind up "going back to their roots," i.e. trying to sound like they used to sound.... It's really a good thing Tool isn't one of those.
I was mainly saying if you like 10,000 Days, and you haven't given Lateralus a listen, you're missing out on a (big) part of what makes Tool so great.

I used to love them, and admittedly I don't listen to them much anymore, but I respect their progression.  I just think Lateralus owns the shit out of everything they've ever done.  :lol:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Toddo]
    #7960815 - 01/31/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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well...you had maybe 2 valid points. #8 was complete BS. You drive around at night with a bowl and most things will sound good.




I completely agree. I also hate when people say "Oh, you don't like them because you don't smoke anymore" or "Listen to them while you're high, that's when they're good." Yeah, music sounds good when you're high or tripping, but it should sound good sober too.

That said, listening to Lateralus once with my friend in his car while we were parked at a park at night and high as sin was the first time I've ever heard music high and been like "Wow, this is so different." Part of it is I think Tool's music definitely has a different... aspect maybe? when you're high. This isn't exclusive to Tool, they just happened to be the first band I had heard like that while high. I'm sure a bigger part of it had to do with how ridiculously high we were.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: jewunit]
    #7960840 - 01/31/08 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

It sounds the same sober to me... Lemme clarify, I didn't mean that you have to be high or what not. I'm just giving an example of the ambiance you should try to 'get to know' Tool. For those that haven't discovered it yet and might want to, this is a good solution. I've 'converted' a few people before in this manner.


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    #7961033 - 01/31/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Yrtlzmo]
    #7961131 - 01/31/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I like TOOL.... but I despise diehard TOOLs.

it is kind of like someone thinking sublime is the shit and they have no idea who yellowman is.

I have already had a heated debate about it on here before, but if you are a tool fan, and you cant name one king crimson song... kill yourself.
KC is their predecessor, and probably their number one influence. granted they work together and intermingle now, but Tools sound has always, IMO, been a more consumable version of King Crimson.
Maynard of course makes the biggest difference since Adrian Belew is a rather shitty singer, but KC were the initial inventors of industrial prog that weaved 5/4s on top of 4/4s and such.

Just listen to Red or Thrak by KC and you will retroactively feel a little loss of awe for tool's genius.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7969406 - 02/02/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Red is AWESOME.

One of my best friends -In(di)go- is a diehard tool fan, and no matter how much he tells me to listen to it I still don't see their greatness... Maybe I should just try again :shrug:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7969696 - 02/02/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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3) They're NOT sell-out faggots like most bands ARE. They NEVER listen to anyone's input when making their music. They make producers look like bitches.

4) They push the ART!!



I like Tool, but I don't think not accepting input from anyone else makes them good or makes me respect them any more.

Also, what does "they push the art" mean?


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7969826 - 02/02/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I like TOOL.... but I despise diehard TOOLs.

it is kind of like someone thinking sublime is the shit and they have no idea who yellowman is.

I have already had a heated debate about it on here before, but if you are a tool fan, and you cant name one king crimson song... kill yourself.
KC is their predecessor, and probably their number one influence. granted they work together and intermingle now, but Tools sound has always, IMO, been a more consumable version of King Crimson.
Maynard of course makes the biggest difference since Adrian Belew is a rather shitty singer, but KC were the initial inventors of industrial prog that weaved 5/4s on top of 4/4s and such.

Just listen to Red or Thrak by KC and you will retroactively feel a little loss of awe for tool's genius.



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Disagree completely. Even Robert Fripp has said that the only thing tool has done that sounds remotely like anything kc has done is 3 notes(read 3 notes) at a certain part of one of their songs, and kc never even released that music. Influence does not always manifest in similar sounding music, it can have other outlets as is evidently the case here. Matter of fact, if there are any novel similarities between the two, it would be in kc's TCOL with a slight TOOL influence. Listening to any of kc's music does not diminish the respect and sense of originality I have for either of those bands, I am able to appreciate them fully in their own right.
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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7969865 - 02/02/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:crankey:

Maybe you should rename this thread "Ten reasons why YOU like Tool so much.  As a Tool fan who doesn't want to be lumped in with gushing fanbois, I'm gonna have to pick apart your post here.  Don't speak for all of us please.


1) Their collaboration with each other is, for lack of a better word, perfect. (I know this statement is opinion-based, but I just had to point it out.)


When you refer to something as perfect, your credibility goes out the window.  No band is perfect.

2) Their growth as a band over the last 15 years. Not to mention that they're still together when most bands from that era aren't.

Aenima was a masterpiece, the two recent albums are weak in comparison.  I like that they have experimented, I don't always like the results.  Art is subjective, but not entirely.  They don't have the magic they had twelve years ago.

3) They're NOT sell-out faggots like most bands ARE. They NEVER listen to anyone's input when making their music. They make producers look like bitches.

What do you know about the creative process of most bands?  For that matter, what do you know about how Tool does their work?  You're romanticizing here.

4) They push the ART!!

Everybody with non-formulaic music does.

5) From a drummer and lyricist P.O.V., Danny Carey is the shit at drums and Maynard really IS a genius. (How he hears/writes those lyrics to those instrumentals is beyond me.)

Lyrically, Maynard can't hold a candle to history's great songwriters. Not even close.  Genius? Come on.  The lyrics have never been the most outstanding aspect of Tool's music. They're adequate; hardly brilliant. 

Danny Carey is utterly incredible, I can't argue that.

6) Their live performances are the shit. (They pull off some hard shit live.)

I've seen a lot of shows, including Tool twice, and they're pretty good, but the ones I saw just don't stand out among some of the other concerts I've been to.  Worth every penny, but I've seen better shows.  Depends on which show I suppose.

7) Their first real album(Undertow) was awesome front to back and once they got Justin Chancellor, their new shit took off to a whole new level.

It changed their sound, no doubt; I like both.

8) You can't just hear to TOOL, you have to listen to them! Feel the music and absorb it's attitude. (Try smokin a bowl, and drive around at night and blast your stereo to Eulogy or the Grudge. Preferably alone.)

If Tool is the only band you have this type of affinity for, then I feel sorry for you.

9) Easily some of the best album(s) artwork, music videos, and live enhancements.

I like their imagery too.  Their videos ARE outstanding, albeit peripheral to the music itself.

10) They're pretty much untouchable. They don't do what you want; they do what they want.

Again, not unique to Tool.

Man, you're really overstating this band.  There is a reason you encounter so much animosity towards Tool fans: over-the-top gushing fanship like this.  They're a good band -- one good band out of thousands.  If you want to exalt these guys as Gods, go ahead, but don't speak for me or any other Tool fans.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7969883 - 02/02/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks WhiskeyClone, well said.:thumbup:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7970014 - 02/02/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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6) Their live performances are the shit. (They pull off some hard shit live.)





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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7970031 - 02/02/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I have already had a heated debate about it on here before, but if you are a tool fan, and you cant name one king crimson song... kill yourself.





:lol:

Come on, you know you don't need to like or even be aware of a band's influences to like that band.  Levels of musical exposure vary from person to person; no reason to hold that against someone.  When you listen to new record, you know if you like it or not.  Are you supposed to stop and go listen to their influences before you call yourself a fan?


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7970032 - 02/02/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I've seen a lot of shows, including Tool twice, and they're pretty good, but the ones I saw just don't stand out among some of the other concerts I've been to.  Worth every penny, but I've seen better shows.  Depends on which show I suppose.






Yeah, it does.  I went to 5 shows on this last tour, including the very first show and last show in vegas.  I also saw then in 2002.  The recent shows have been a let down for me, visually, the 2002 tour was unreal with the alex grey screens that came down during reflection.  It was probably one of the top five experiences of my life and it is the concert by which all others are compared to - 5 yrs later.  But yeah, your right it does matter which one.  I love their live shows and i've listened to hundreds of shows.  Their shows have evolved a lot over the years.  The best ones are from 1996-1998 imo, for the audio, and 2001-2002 for the visuals.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #7970037 - 02/02/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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One of my best friends -In(di)go- is a diehard tool fan, and no matter how much he tells me to listen to it I still don't see their greatness... Maybe I should just try again :shrug:




If you're only listening to their recent stuff, that may be why.  If you don't like Undertow or Aenima, it's safe to say you don't like them.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7970044 - 02/02/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I consider myself a tool "fan" I have only seen em once (july 07) I enjoyed myself and like most all their music.

I have to say I am not so sure Maynard is such a brilliant lyricist, I have to say sometimes he writes some good lyrics but sometimes I find his lyrics less than poetic and borderline preachy/pretentious. However, I try not to over think that stuff. Bottom line, I enjoy them :laugh:

Plus I have tool to thank for having the biggest poster available of Alex Greys Net of Being... I love having a 40x60" print of the piece.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: DR. PRIME]
    #7970113 - 02/02/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

At least some people live up to the word "Fanatic". :lol:

I listen to A LOT of different kinds of music and nothing comes close to the precision and intensity of f00l, imo.

At the f00l shows I completely loose my mind and I see 1 in 100 people contorting and foaming at the mouth like me.

I guess some people are just born with the f00l gene. :headbang:

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7971354 - 02/03/08 12:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Aenima was a masterpiece, the two recent albums are weak in comparison.  I like that they have experimented, I don't always like the results.  Art is subjective, but not entirely.  They don't have the magic they had twelve years ago.






I think the peak of their "magic" was Lateralus and is their masterpiece.

And I've always said, there's nothing worse than a rabid Tool fan.  Most of them literally believe they are gods.  :whatever:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7971366 - 02/03/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lateralus was their peak, but I still say Aenima is their masterwork.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Viveka]
    #7971929 - 02/03/08 07:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Heard both, liked none :sad:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7972142 - 02/03/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey you haters this is obviously a Toolhead thread, noone is forcing you to read it.

I never push my opinions on anyone, especially when they are negative.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7972401 - 02/03/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey i'm not arguing..

he can stay so i can keep staring at the avatar

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7972436 - 02/03/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not talking to the Colonel, I'm talking to Penguarky and Yawning.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7972459 - 02/03/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

aw hells yeah.

and i want to put in my two cents about tool

i really liked them back in the aenima days..

lateralus was awesome.. but to me it was more noise than content like aenima, but it was a good album as a whole as it flowed together so that was ok.

10,000 days, however, was all noise to me and not much content at all.. i think there were maybe two or three really well defined songs on there from what i heard and i was very disappointed.

i've heard they always procrastinate a lot and rush at the end to get it done.. well i waited five years for 10,000 days and was very let down.

i dont really consider myself a tool fan anymore because it's hard to call that cd 'good' because there's really not a lot of content on it as opposed to previous offerings.

i think they just kinda blew off that cd and tried to put some stoner rock on there to get people to buy it...

not for me anymore, but you can never take aenima, lateralus, opiate, undertow, and EVEN SALIVAL from my past, but the tool of today is not the same as the tool of yesteryear.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7972463 - 02/03/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think the peak of their "magic" was Lateralus and is their masterpiece.






Fair enough... I hear this a lot. Here's my question: those of you who think Lateralus is their best work, when did you start listening to Tool?


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7972481 - 02/03/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I thought LaTeRaLus was their best work, I didn't really like them until Aenima.

I was disappointed by 10K Days at first, but after the 23rd listen or so, I really started to like it.

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7972559 - 02/03/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Aside from 10k days, which I didn't really get into, each albumn is a masterpiece in it's own way. Their a good band, but come on, Gods?

Dannys the man on skins, and Adam has some crazy visual art, but Maynard is a pompous cock gobbler. I can't stand him. Yeah, he's a good singer with an excellent octave range, but not a genius by any means.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7972616 - 02/03/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think the peak of their "magic" was Lateralus and is their masterpiece.






Fair enough... I hear this a lot.  Here's my question:  those of you who think Lateralus is their best work, when did you start listening to Tool?




I started listening to them when they started playing Stinkfist and Aenima on mtv - mid 90's id guess.  Was lucky enough to get a store bought copy of Salival when it came out.  Pushit on that cd is amazing.  I would like to see more influence from Aloke Dutta in their next album.  (aloke isn't doing to good if you guys didn't know...http://www.alokedutta.com/ - he suffered a massive heart attack last week :frown: ).  Anyway, it's really hard for me to choose a better album between Lateralus and Aenima.  Lateralus came out the day i graduated HighSchool and at our senior party we had an AWESOME listening party.  But with regard to the music comparing the music is like comparing apples to oranges to me.  I just can't do it.  They are both spectacular recordings.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7972876 - 02/03/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like Lateralus the most, it's also when I first started listening to them and saw them on that tour, so it makes sense.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: jewunit]
    #7973018 - 02/03/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

When I was in my teens I definitely went through a phase where I idolised them as musicians and thought they could do no wrong. Looking back on it a few years older, I'm kind of irritated by all of the filler tracks on Ænima and Lateralus as well and the way that Maynard comes off very pompously from time to time. There's good and bad about every band and they're not perfect.

To this day I very much love how Adam Jones can take very simple Drop-D riffs and make them sound huge and epic and Justin Chancellor is one of my favourite bass players. I'd say Ænima's my favourite record by them with the song Third Eye having one of the craziest climaxes (or Toolgasms:awesome:) I've ever heard...the Bill Hicks quotes also help :wink:

Sometimes when I hear from other Tool fans they can go a little far in their worship of them, which is kind of funny because the band advocates thinking for yourself and not being a drone. At this point  I'm pretty convinced Maynard can release a record that's just him pleasuring a silverback gorilla for an hour and a half and it will be lauded as an artistic breakthrough. 

An appropriate quote from Monty Python's Life of Brian:
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!
The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!
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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7973034 - 02/03/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I think the peak of their "magic" was Lateralus and is their masterpiece.






Fair enough... I hear this a lot. Here's my question: those of you who think Lateralus is their best work, when did you start listening to Tool?




I was given Undertow in '95, a year before Aenima came out. I was 12-13. Undertow was the first "metal" album I ever heard.

What does the answer have to do with anything?


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7977720 - 02/04/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Even if you didn't like 10,000 Days as a whole, it's worth getting just for Wings pt. II alone. What an epic track that one is...


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7978510 - 02/04/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hell yeah, man. Best track on the album.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7981781 - 02/05/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Man tool is the shit there concert's are a trip even if your not tripping, but if your tripping like I do every time they come around, it's like a religious pilgrimage for me. Last concert they played Flood from undertow and I was tripping sac and I swear I could see like an evil undead ball of death heading my way it was fucken amazing, i wasn't scared either. Those fuckers had control of every molecular vibration in that concert how do they do it.

For anyone who has dbouts about this band do yourself a favor and go to one of there concerts. There the pink floyd of our time.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Rylmonkey]
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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7984726 - 02/05/08 09:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly my point.  :grin:

There's a reason the band is called Tool...


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7984771 - 02/05/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The pic is a joke, I'm fanatical about the music not the musicians.

There's a reason the new tool logo looks like f00l...



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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7984837 - 02/05/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm fanatical about the music not the musicians.




Perfectly encapsulates how I feel about it. As the music goes they are in a tier all to themselves...well maybe King Crimson.


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    #7984850 - 02/05/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The pic is a joke, I'm fanatical about the music not the musicians.

There's a reason the new tool logo looks like f00l...



Here from the king's mountain view.




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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7984862 - 02/05/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I know dude, I'm grinning too. :grin:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7986692 - 02/06/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not talking to the Colonel, I'm talking to Penguarky and Yawning.

This isn't The Pub, destructive criticism isn't appreciated in here. :kittyeagle:




so we dont have the right to disagree with someone about musical taste that they claim is pinnacle? I post shittons of pretentious music threads in here and never once has a mod swooped in to say the above quote. not that I want you to.
All I was saying was that most Tool fans stop at Tool and progress no further in music appreciation, but still think that they are allowed to be musical elite pretentious snobs like me.
it doesnt work that way. I could fucking destroy matt pinfield.

also, Tool has gimmicks, which goes against everything they "stand" for. shit, even what they "Stand" for is a gimmick anyway.
from elaborate Nosferatu costumes to turning your back to the crowd the entire show while only wearing pajama pants.
and frankly I dont give a shit what Fripp was claimed to have said, it is abundantly obvious that Tool is almost entirely influenced by KC. Like I said, go listen to Red.
the discrepancy is what irks me. If you like Tool, but dont like KC, then it means you basically are a fanboi gimmick whore. KC's music is a little more complex, but often has the same feeling of epic darkness, but has very little "show"... granted, not every song sounds like that, because KC has way more depth than Tool ever will.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7986781 - 02/06/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I like TOOL.... but I despise diehard TOOLs.

I have already had a heated debate about it on here before, but if you are a tool fan, and you cant name one king crimson song... kill yourself.




You have the right to your opinion, just please try not to be such a douche bag about it.

I like KC and they obviously influenced Tool, but your views are just plain retarded.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Middleman]
    #7986865 - 02/06/08 02:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You have the right to your opinion, just please try not to be such a douche bag about it.

I like KC and they obviously influenced Tool, but your views are just plain retarded.




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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7986882 - 02/06/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Fair enough... I hear this a lot. Here's my question: those of you who think Lateralus is their best work, when did you start listening to Tool?




I was given Undertow in '95, a year before Aenima came out. I was 12-13. Undertow was the first "metal" album I ever heard.

What does the answer have to do with anything?




Just curious. When Lateralus came out, there were suddenly a lot more Tool fans. I was hypothesizing that most of those who favored Lateralus liked it more because it was their initial point of contact with Tool. I had never met anyone who already loved Aenima, bought Lateralus, and loved it more than its predecessor. My preference for Aenima and Undertow lies somewhere in the singing, mostly. There was something unpretentious and organic about it that seemed to be gone in Lateralus. Hard to put my finger on it.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7986939 - 02/06/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I had never met anyone who already loved Aenima, bought Lateralus, and loved it more than its predecessor. My preference for Aenima and Undertow lies somewhere in the singing, mostly. There was something unpretentious and organic about it that seemed to be gone in Lateralus. Hard to put my finger on it.




I know exactly what you mean. Hearing Ænima for the first time, I knew I was listening to something groundbreaking and epic. There was really no precedent for it at the time, a perfect synthesis of 70s prog rock (obviously a lot of KC) and huge metal hooks. When Lateralus came around it couldn't compare to Ænima as an overall album for me. There are some amazing tracks on Lateralus (i.e. Lateralus, the Grudge and the Patient) but I personally get more of an emotional response from Ænima. Not sure why.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7988645 - 02/06/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree... I like Ænima the best... if I had to pick just one album to listen to of tools it would be Ænima. Has the best feel of any of the albums.

Tool has a lot of fanbois but still you can ignore that and see the part of them that people can appreciate. But oh well, taste is taste :smile:


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7990263 - 02/07/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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My preference for Aenima and Undertow lies somewhere in the singing, mostly. There was something unpretentious and organic about it that seemed to be gone in Lateralus. Hard to put my finger on it.




I know just what you mean. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that up through Aenima, Maynard was focused on TOOL exclusively. When Adam Danny and Justin were writing Lateralus, Maynard was off doing APC, then he came in later and wrote his parts over what had already been laid down instrumentally. When I listen to The Grudge I can just imagine Maynard bobbing around in a room listening to the already mostly completed tune and coming up with something to lay over the top of it.

The thing that kinda bugged me when Lateralus came out was how everyone gushed especially about Parabol/a. It was pretty good but it was the most straight ahead rock thing they had ever done and wasn't nearly as unique or labrynthian as the The Patient or Lateralus or something and I also didn't like how the lower chorus came across the first time sung in the lower octave. Didn't sound right and more evidence of the disconnect of Maynard from the writing process.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7990267 - 02/07/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, I got into the Tool/KC comparison with you years ago and you totally copped out when I asked you to back your position up with actual comparisons between specific Tool and KC songs. You also had a strange way of speaking of Maynard as if he WAS Tool. I can dig up the link to the thread if you like and perhaps you can take up where you left off.

Both bands use odd and compound times a lot but beyond that the two bands are really not that similar at all. You can't compare Adam and Fripp's styles, nothing alike(and Adam really ain't much next to Fripp). Danny and Billy are both choice, unique drummers, Carey is admittedly influenced by Bruford but his style is quite different. You can't compare D'amour or Chancellor's bass playing to Wetton or Levin's to any convincing degree, except that maybe some of Chancellors distortion sounds like some of Wetton's big swells, but that's nothing to speak of and you sure as shit can't compare Lake, Wetton or Belew to Maynard.

Aesthetically, the bands really don't have a lot in common. I'm still convinced the only reason you are making this argument is because of Maynard's quote in 2000 that KC was "basically the band we've been ripping off" over the years or however it went. But when you consider that the guy talks out his ass constantly that doesn't mean much.

When I hear In the Court or In the Wake or Islands, I don't think of Opiate or Undertow. When I listen to Starless or Larks' Tongues, it sure doesn't sound much like Aenima or Lateralus and when I listen to the 3 80's albums (my favorite material) it doesn't sound a damn thing like anything in the Tool catalogue, but I start thinking, I could go, "hey, this part in Neil and Jack and Me kinda reminds me a bit of that one bar in Schism that goes..." but so fucking what? It could be a minor similarity that pretty much goes with the territory of prog rock or completely erroneous on my part, a product of aberrant analyticisms. I'm glad Danny was influenced strongly by KC instead of The Beatles or some other now cliche rock shit that you wouldn't even hear the distillation of through today's bands because the original was so impotent by comparison.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Viveka]
    #7992962 - 02/07/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

93
Well said Viveka.  As I've previously said, the final outcome of the music evoked is only one aspect of another band's influence.  I feel that Tool shares KC's overall vision of music expressed as audible art.  They share the discipline and dedication required for such a feat.  Some playing styles can be compared(moreso with the later kc incarnations imo, i.e. Jones is closer to Belew than Fripp, danny closer to Pat).  Yet, the music that you hear is radically different.

I've listened to Red, Yawninganus, many times, in fact the album is a foot and a half from my head as we type.  I've also heard most of the kc albums, Fripp's work with Eno, seen fripp and belew as p6 with porcupine tree, as well as attending a league of crafty guitarists gig(front row mind you:)).  Yet, I still carry the above stated perception.  Musically speaking, the only band that has ever reminded me of Tool in the slightest degree(sans a Balance/Keenan connection), and this is a big stretch, is Coil.
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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: lavod]
    #7993226 - 02/07/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7993319 - 02/07/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The first time I tripped on acid for 12 hours me and a group of 6 other people listened to the Lateralus album probably 3 entire times. Tool helped guide me through the incredible turmoil of naively taking 4 hits of really good acid your first time. The Patient really got to me, though..

"Is this a test?
It has to be...
Otherwise I can't go on."

It's ridiculous to base your liking of a band on whether or not it sounds like its roots or not. The point is not to mimic the ones who influenced you, but to take it and use it to create something of your own. I certainly believe Tool succeeded in this respect.

A band is not about the members or the image. It's about the music; the art. All of the members of Tool make this clear in the handful interviews they've done.

I hate when people get all worked up over music. It's like arguing semantics most of the time - futile and biased.

Honestly, after going to the two Tool concerts I've been to, I often think about just how many of their die-hard fans are tools themselves.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: manyc]
    #7993342 - 02/07/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

werd cuz music is subjective?


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7993372 - 02/07/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All extreme fanboys are generally annoying, but I think Tool's are some of the worst... It's too bad, because they're a great band.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: Viveka]
    #7993379 - 02/07/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well, you were right that I did bitch out on that last thread, mostly because I didnt feel like downloading, or ripping songs from both tool and KC and then going through more exhausting task of uploading them on here... this was also before the upload limit was increased.
I dont think you can look at the "musical stylings" of individual musicians when comparing two bands.... it doesnt really make sense to me.
I dont know what to tell you about listening to certain songs and not hearing what I am talking about... which is another reason I kind of just dropped the last thread.. pure incredulity (word?).
of course the playing styles arent the same, nobody from Tool has half the chops that KC does.
I think a lot of you are also trying to say that because Tool hasnt completely stolen entire bridges, melodies and such from KC that my position has no legs.
I will say that my previous position from the last thread was rather harsh... but Im not talking about just influenced or inspired. Tool is less talented musicians, playing the less talented version of one aspect of KCs feel.
Just listen to the album Power to Believe, and the song level 5... while even though that record was made in the late 90's/early 2000, which is post Tool releases, one of the main focuses of that album was to craete a more poppier sound and at times poke fun of new age prog/metal bands which is evidenced by the song "Happy with what you have to be happy with". but even when KC tries to dumb down they still pull of the epic/dark feel much better than Tool, IMO.

And when I have some words
This is the way I'll sing
Through a distortion box
To make them menacing

Yeah, then I'm gonna have to write a chorus
We're gonna need to have a chorus
And this seems to be as good as any other place to sing it till I'm blue in the face

And for a second verse
Of terse economy
I'll brew another pot
Of ambiguity

Then I'm gonna have to write a chorus
We're gonna need to have a chorus
And this seems to be as good as any other place to sing it till I'm blue in the face
Yes, we're gonna need to have a chorus
I'm gonna have to write a chorus
And this seems to be as good as any other place to sing it till I'm blue in the face

Happy with what you have to be happy with
you have to be happy with what you have
to be happy with you have to be happy with what you have,
happy with what you have to be happy with
you have to be happy with what you have
to be happy with what you have you have to be happy with what you have to happy with

Then I guess I'll repeat the chorus!
We're gonna repeat the chorus!
I guess I'll repeat the chorus!
We're gonna repeat the chorus!
Then I guess I'll repeat the chorus!
We're gonna repeat the chorus!
I guess I'll repeat the chorus!
We're gonna repeat the chorus!

Happy with what you have to be happy with
you have to be happy with what you have
to be happy with you have to be happy with what you have,
happy with what you have to be happy with
you have to be happy with what you have
to be happy with what you have you have to be happy with what you have to happy with


but anyway, getting off topic here...

about the quote you posted, the first and only time I have heard that was from that last thread we had, so this really isnt spawned from what Maynard said, believe it or not I dont hang on every word he says like some of his Tools.

of course most of the 80's stuff isnt a good indicator of hat I am talking about, because KC has far more depth and diversity than Tool will ever have... but even Three of a Perfect Pair is very remeniscent of maynards vocal melodic phrasing and texture.
the song structure and idea are basically the same, but the only difference I see is that they have a revised version of KC and put different "eyebrows" on it.

I mean, even look at the lyrics.
she is susceptible
he is impossible
they have their cross to share
three of a perfect pair...
he has his contradicting views
she has her cyclothymic moods
they make a study in despair
three of a perfect pair...

one, one too many
schizophrenic tendencies
keeps it complicated
keeps it agggravated
and full of this hopelessness
what a perfect mess...


I mean, can you honestly say that you dont hear Tool salivating at that song? seriously sing it, and think how Maynard would sing that song. it wouldnt be that far from the original song.
I mean, the opening melody to schism is so close to Trey Gunn's warr guitar style... even the tone.
I could go on and on, but im not because I cant make you see it if you dont want to.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7994102 - 02/07/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, Maynard himself was quoted as having said, "I have a feeling kids are going to come and hear King Crimson and go, fuck Tool ripped these guys off blind."


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7997126 - 02/08/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

bump.


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Re: 10 Reasons why us TOOL fans like them soo much. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7997885 - 02/08/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A song is a song dude. Of course Maynard would sing it quite the same as KC does because that's the way the song IS. You can't just say stuff like that. I agree that there is definitely some huge similarities between the two bands but, in the end, they are not even close to each other. They are only of the same genre at most, if at all. If anything KC reminds me more of the Moody Blues than anything, aside from the unique time signatures. Don't get me wrong though, I do like it.

And by the way, I thank you all for your awesome insight to this post. A lot of good stuff is discussed in here. And I like the criticisms of Maynardists. Some good shit. lol

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I'm fanatical about the music not the musicians.





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