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InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
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The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study
    #7959734 - 01/31/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

On October 2, 2001, the New York Times reported that researchers at prestigious Columbia University Medical Center in New York had discovered something quite extraordinary (1). Using virtually foolproof scientific methods the researchers had demonstrated that infertile women who were prayed for by Christian prayer groups became pregnant twice as often as those who did not have people praying for them. The study was published in the Journal of Reproductive Medicine (2). Even the researchers were shocked. The study's results could only be described as miraculous. This was welcome and wonderful news for a shaken nation.

Um, not surprising to this skeptic was that the entire study consisted of fraud (The evangelical man behind the study is in Federal prison for fraud) and had so many flaws in its inception that it cannot be called 'science'.



Disregarding the 'results' and convoluted protocols (such as one prayer group praying for the increased 'prayer power' of another group who prayed for the patients :rolleyes:) of the study for a moment, the basic premise being tested COULD NOT BE TESTED. Why? Glad you asked!

One of the prayers asked that "God's will or desire be fulfilled". As the women patients in the study already had severe fertility problems, perhaps God had already made his will clear. Who-the-fuck-knows? As we cannot measure or know 'God's will', how can the outcome be scientifically determined to be in alignment with God's will unless any result must, ipso facto, be in alignment with his will?

Read a full review of the evangelical prayer mish-mash study here.


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7959858 - 01/31/08 11:20 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

ya.

i mean you can say it helped, but there's no way to scientifically prove that it helped.

but God isn't science and sometimes you just have to deal with what you've got.

there's more kids out there with no parents than parents with no kids..


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7959876 - 01/31/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Yes, my mother still thinks she got pregnant and had me because she prayed :lol:


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7959888 - 01/31/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

nothing wrong with that.

you might not be here if she hadn't.

you cant absolutely say that it did nothing to help her.

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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7959946 - 01/31/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Yes, I can until such time are there is some evidence that normal physical laws can be temporarily suspended because of talking to one's self.


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7959985 - 01/31/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

i'm not saying it did anything, but you cant say that it didn't do anything.

your mom simply had a post hoc fallacy of reasoning..


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7960177 - 01/31/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
the basic premise being tested COULD NOT BE TESTED. Why? Glad you asked!

One of the prayers asked that "God's will or desire be fulfilled". As the women patients in the study already had severe fertility problems, perhaps God had already made his will clear. Who-the-fuck-knows? As we cannot measure or know 'God's will', how can the outcome be scientifically determined to be in alignment with God's will unless any result must, ipso facto, be in alignment with his will?






Of course they could do a study in which the participants are instructed to pray for the woman to conceive, not for God's will to be fulfilled, but that would leave them open to the possibility that the results may indicate what they do not want to be true. 

What's the point of praying for God's will to be fulfilled? Isn't that happening anyway? :smirk:


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7963280 - 02/01/08 02:21 AM (16 years, 23 hours ago)

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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: ShroomFan]
    #7963324 - 02/01/08 03:05 AM (16 years, 22 hours ago)

I think its just the comfert in hope and positiveness that praying creates. Praying is just a whinyer type of medatating...


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: Cubie]
    #7963497 - 02/01/08 05:42 AM (16 years, 20 hours ago)

I like this gem from the link provided above:

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It must be emphasized that, in the entire history of modern science, no claim of any type of supernatural phenomena has ever been replicated under strictly controlled conditions.




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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7963584 - 02/01/08 06:17 AM (16 years, 19 hours ago)

Next time it would kick ass to repeat the same experiment but this time they shouldn't be allowed to have sex. I mean, what difference would it make if they're infertile anyways? :yesnod:


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Re: The Columbia University 'Miracle' Study [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7964835 - 02/01/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 12 hours ago)

One of the hardest things for humans to realize is the difference between wanting something to be true and what is true. I am very guilty of this myself.


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