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Chronic7

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Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down?
#7959607 - 01/31/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Do you think that trails are left over light/heat and general energy left over that you see trail behiond, or do you think ofit as the mind just slowing down?
I feel shrooms make us more aware to the energy that is ALL around so like to think trails are a part of this and not just being slowed down?
I think its debatable because shrooms also seem to make everything very simple and beautiful so maybe the side effect of this simplicity is the slowing of the brain processing?
Any thoughts?

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7959638 - 01/31/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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i think it has to do with the visual processing center of your brain. i dont think its a slowing down so much as it is changing the hardwiring a bit.
this may also be where some of the actual hallucinations are generated. since there have been studies done where the visual cortex is stimulated and people have similar to lsd like visuals.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959669 - 01/31/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I like to think ofit as seeing differently aswell , not necessarily slowed down but seeing it through a different awareness, and i like to think of that awareness as energy awareness as shrooms def make me more aware of energy.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959685 - 01/31/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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yeah, it's somehow affecting the way the image is being processed from your eyes
I think of it as your brain isn't processing the images as fast as they're entering, so there's remnants of the old ones left behind.
not so much a 'slowing down', but just a sort of rewiring (as said above), as the images have to travel through the visual cortex that's full of psilocybin
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Seventy]
#7959696 - 01/31/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I see what you guys are saying as slowing down though, your not seeing things as they happen, your seeing them after. I dont like the thought of that to be honest. But im comfortable with the thought they are energy left behind that we usually dont see...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959713 - 01/31/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Four main classes of visuals occur, all due to signals fading more slowly:
1. radial rainbow patterns or feathers 2. layered which includes trails 3. polyopia which includes wallpaper patterns 4. semi-independent animation/halucination
1. the rainbow patterns are visual cortex interference patterns due to slower fading of visual input, such that points of light radiating waves on the cortex interfere with points from succeeding visual moments. This produces gorgeous candy images from streetlights at night, but it is a bit subtle for daylight.
2. Layered celluloid images are complete images that persist longer and layer over succeding frames of visual input which include: a) being able to still see behind yourself after turning around (360 degree vision) b) seeing trails following a moving object. c) seeing through an image into an underlying image that was before you a moment ago... d) seeing a memory tableau superimposed on the visual field.
3. Polyopia is seeing multiples of images like feathers or stars or any motif, this also includes seeing miniature motifs that are in some way related to set and setting. It is characterized by multiple distinct elements fitting together in a fantastic but natural way, not normally possible in 3-d cartesian space. Polyopia is strongly suggestive of an holographic process (known to be true) being involved in ongoing mentation. I often see neon graffiti or writing that cannot be read, it changes so quickly, or cartoon characters...
4. Semi-independent halucination is most common with delerients but it does occur with psychedelics and it also is due to layering or persistence, but it is a longer chain of persistence that permits it, such as when parts of the self break off and seem to have ongoing ideas of their own that are seemingly at odds with the tripper. This is the part that makes superstitious people go insane, or religious people declaim visits by angels and deamons...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7960042 - 01/31/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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one time i looked behind me and saw a trail of my body walking, then shattering into thousands of pieces as i felt a gravitational force pull me foward rather than me consciously walk
it was as though there was a shift in awareness, time slowed down and my physical perception extended into the astral plane... a huge beast then jumped across the road and merged into a tree
why this trail occured, i do not exactly know, but i do know it had to do with a shift in awareness and perception
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#7960139 - 01/31/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I'm sure we can all agree that the brain does produce hallucinations due to certain centers and receptors of it being stimulated. However, I do think that those hallucinations can be the seeing of what is not there, i.e., energy. LSD, for me at least, involves a kaliedoscope filter over my vision, but the kaliedoscope moves in a circular pattern, repeated, so a section of my vision (say, a pop can) will move around and reform when it moves in a circle, but it repeats this pattern. This visualization to me means that everything has some sort of "cycle", whether it be a living thing or not, it is going to exist and then at some point it won't, but it will exist again.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#7960415 - 01/31/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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tyler_0_durden said: I'm sure we can all agree that the brain does produce hallucinations due to certain centers and receptors of it being stimulated. However, I do think that those hallucinations can be the seeing of what is not there, i.e., energy.
i beleive that on shrooms you are seeing what IS there,(open eyed anyway!) otherwise i wouldnt even do them, energy is definately there, we as unenlightened beings dont see it. I think you misworded your reply or something?
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#7960429 - 01/31/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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shrooming i kinda got the rainbow/invisible/kaleidoscope layer though at the point i was at for say 5 minutes maybe, i just sorta went with it, as ideas themselves didnt seem to hold themselves together at that point
its pretty weird tho how with no logic i still remember vivedly the way i was lookin
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Konyap]
#7960456 - 01/31/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: manyc]
#7960522 - 01/31/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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manyc said: Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
I know but ill still tell myslef its energy, i think because i fear the truth, if i think after images i thinkg being sloooooowed down and i dont like that, it makes me feel retarded, but it seems to be human things slowed down.
Sometimes you can have such intellectual conversations though... yet openning a rice crispies square is the hardest thing the world!
Its too weird that the brain can become SO enlightened yet be so dumbed down. I guess you get the 2 extremes, but through meditation could become one.
Makes me think thats all...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7961317 - 01/31/08 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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On my last trip I kept looking at things and seeing them decay...it applied only to objects...watching them rust or the metal decompose and then restore itself over and over. I have no idea why other than some metaphor in my head about humanity but there was no conversation or anything about it...it was cool...anyone else ever see something similar?
(it wasn't a scary kind of thing but a "is what it is" kind of thing almost like there should of been a sign above it: "GET IT!!?!"..lol)
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Quilch]
#7961398 - 01/31/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I dont know about how real the patterns are.
Its been proven that the patterns are coming from your own brain. They are just as real as your thoughts. It has to do with the synapses in the optic nerve and the visual cortex i believe. whats interesting about this is the patterns you see are in some way existing in your brain.
but the full blown immersive ones like angels and demons and new worlds, i have no idea...
the collective unconscious of existence? just a thought.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: origami.octopus]
#7961455 - 01/31/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I think the interesting thing about visuals is that it shows how much your brain effects your view of reality. Even when your sober the brain is still altering and changing what you see around you. Its just that your used to it so it seems normal. But when your tripping, and you see people start moving in slow motion or time seems to almost stop, you think "how is that possible!!!???". It makes you question reality which i think is a good thing, because if you want to know what reality is you need to question it.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: DimensionX]
#7961487 - 01/31/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yeah your way of thinking it is more fun, but Im still more inclined to think that it is just your brain not processing it as fast because of all the things going on. However, you still may be right because I like to think of the effects of mushrooms to be more than just a chemical reaction but truth too.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7961509 - 01/31/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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chronic777 said:
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manyc said: Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
I know but ill still tell myslef its energy, i think because i fear the truth, if i think after images i thinkg being sloooooowed down and i dont like that, it makes me feel retarded, but it seems to be human things slowed down.
Sometimes you can have such intellectual conversations though... yet openning a rice crispies square is the hardest thing the world!
Its too weird that the brain can become SO enlightened yet be so dumbed down. I guess you get the 2 extremes, but through meditation could become one.
Makes me think thats all...
Why are you afraid of the truth? The brain is not being "slowed down", it's just shifting to a completely different way of working. It's not like you become stupid on these drugs, (though you probably won't be able to do school work) your brain is just opened to a new way of perceiving things. I actually like to think of myself as more intelligent on shrooms or acid, not slowed down.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7961871 - 01/31/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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redgreenvines said: Four main classes of visuals occur, all due to signals fading more slowly:
1. radial rainbow patterns or feathers 2. layered which includes trails 3. polyopia which includes wallpaper patterns 4. semi-independent animation/halucination
1. the rainbow patterns are visual cortex interference patterns due to slower fading of visual input, such that points of light radiating waves on the cortex interfere with points from succeeding visual moments. This produces gorgeous candy images from streetlights at night, but it is a bit subtle for daylight.
2. Layered celluloid images are complete images that persist longer and layer over succeding frames of visual input which include: a) being able to still see behind yourself after turning around (360 degree vision) b) seeing trails following a moving object. c) seeing through an image into an underlying image that was before you a moment ago... d) seeing a memory tableau superimposed on the visual field.
3. Polyopia is seeing multiples of images like feathers or stars or any motif, this also includes seeing miniature motifs that are in some way related to set and setting. It is characterized by multiple distinct elements fitting together in a fantastic but natural way, not normally possible in 3-d cartesian space. Polyopia is strongly suggestive of an holographic process (known to be true) being involved in ongoing mentation. I often see neon graffiti or writing that cannot be read, it changes so quickly, or cartoon characters...
4. Semi-independent halucination is most common with delerients but it does occur with psychedelics and it also is due to layering or persistence, but it is a longer chain of persistence that permits it, such as when parts of the self break off and seem to have ongoing ideas of their own that are seemingly at odds with the tripper. This is the part that makes superstitious people go insane, or religious people declaim visits by angels and deamons...
Once on a fairly heavy dose of LSD I was at my house and I was looking at myself in the mirror. As I turned to walk away I noticed that my reflection stayed in the mirror. This tripped me out pretty hard when it first happened. But I guess that counts as a layered celluloid image.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: xaeviax]
#7962029 - 01/31/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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For the 2 people that said they turned around and saw a delayed image of themselves (one in the mirror, the other just walking somewhere), how could this be explained? It's not in the same realm as a trail, as you'd of had to see yourself to begin with for the image to be planted there.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962041 - 01/31/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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krypto2000 said: For the 2 people that said they turned around and saw a delayed image of themselves (one in the mirror, the other just walking somewhere), how could this be explained? It's not in the same realm as a trail, as you'd of had to see yourself to begin with for the image to be planted there.
Yeah on one trip I saw myself doing things in the mirror that I wasnt doing. Super creepy lol.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962065 - 01/31/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I normally don't get any visuals on mushrooms except things seem more vibrant until about 4 grams or so and then the floors will start to crawl and shit like that. One time though, on 3.5, we were watching tv and the image literally just stopped and then it went in reverse for about a second or 2 and then just jump back ahead to it's normal place. I don't claim that actually happened, I really have no doubt that it didn't as no one else could verify that, but very interesting none the less. I've never had anything else out of the ordinary happen though, but the most I've taken was 4 grams. Even then though I didn't have many visuals except for the first 2 hours and I could see sounds and all kinds of crazy shit.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962232 - 01/31/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Anything above two grams cool stuff starts happening. Once at 2.5 grams I could see patterns in the carpet and the a trail and started following it. When I ran out out carpet and hit the bath room, I turned around to look back at the carpet and I could see "Get off" in the carpet coolest thing ever. I fell over laughing.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: newlife]
#7962318 - 01/31/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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lol, I think if my carpet told me to get off, I'd be kinda freaked out
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962461 - 01/31/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yeah Im actually surprised I didnt. I guess I knew right as I saw it that it was my mind fucking with me.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962476 - 01/31/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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i thought trails were a result of your pupils being dilated, like when you open the aperture wider in a camera
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: daft crunk]
#7962547 - 01/31/08 10:26 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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open aperture lets more light in better for dark slower shutter speed gives smearing which is closer to trails esp if strobe light is used
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7963966 - 02/01/08 09:03 AM (16 years, 15 hours ago) |
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I never used to get visuals until around my tenth trip, now i get them all the time even from smoking weed, especially eating weed, i forgot i had a brownie last night and when i was tryihng to sleep i started hallucenating and was freaked out that i was flashbacking hard, just the brownie tho.
My dreams last night were so real it was kinda scary reflecting back onit 2day
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: origami.octopus]
#11325367 - 10/26/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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origami.octopus said: I dont know about how real the patterns are.
Its been proven that the patterns are coming from your own brain. They are just as real as your thoughts. It has to do with the synapses in the optic nerve and the visual cortex i believe. whats interesting about this is the patterns you see are in some way existing in your brain.
but the full blown immersive ones like angels and demons and new worlds, i have no idea...
the collective unconscious of existence? just a thought.
I can see how the patterns may be linked to synaptic junctions in the brain.. although I've seen some that totally blow my mind when questioning myself about how in the hell that was even possible .
Honestly though, how can you explain the "full blow immersive" trips that people can have on DMT/high doses of LSD/Mushrooms?
If you haven't read DMT: The Spirit Molecule, i suggest you do people!
It'll make you think twice about where these visions spawn.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Spiral11235]
#11325457 - 10/26/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spiral11235 said: Honestly though, how can you explain the "full blow immersive" trips that people can have on DMT/high doses of LSD/Mushrooms?
should have asked him 1 year 8 months ago.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: origami.octopus]
#11325693 - 10/26/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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origami.octopus said: I dont know about how real the patterns are.
Its been proven that the patterns are coming from your own brain. They are just as real as your thoughts. It has to do with the synapses in the optic nerve and the visual cortex i believe. whats interesting about this is the patterns you see are in some way existing in your brain.
but the full blown immersive ones like angels and demons and new worlds, i have no idea...
the collective unconscious of existence? just a thought.
Ya, as far as patterns go I always kinda figured that your brain is constantly "looking" for patterns in the input from your all or our sensory inputs in order to recognize objects and make decisions. For instance, people who have been blind from early childhood and regain their eyesight later in life due to surgery or whatever, can see everyday objects but cannot interpret what they are and therefore how to react. So, these people end up still needing canes or seeing-eye-dogs for years until the can--for example--see a curb and know to step up and not trip. Perhaps psychedelics "overdrive" this process of recognizing patterns and, as a result, we discern many overlapping patterns as a result. haha, my two cents
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: meinert]
#11326845 - 10/26/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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meinert said: Yall know you can see energy will sober right? Just think of the heat you can see coming off a road in the summer. This is energy. I know this would get amplified to a degree while tripping.. So I don't see why we couldn't see some energy that is really their, although we can't see it while sober. I don't know what this energy could be except from the heat you are transferring to the ambient air. and thus the trails would be the flow of this heat.
That's not energy. That's due to the path of light changing because the air is moving. We see these differences as movements.
You can't see "energy" because energy is simply a difference between two things in the simplest of terms, it's an abstract concept which is the foundation of reality. Time is similar, you don't claim to "see time".
Of course, this is energy as strictly defined in physics. Now if you want to talk about "spiritual energy" then sure, go ahead. I don't really have anything to say about that other than that I haven't seen any evidence that proves this exists, although I would kill to see this. Some people talk about crazy synchronistic experiences they've had, I think it was Grof who claimed that an entity contacted one of his LSD experiment subjects and gave them a number to dial, to pass on the message that a couple's kidnapped son was in good health. Now that, if real, would be amazing.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: crkhd]
#11329652 - 10/27/09 03:58 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you have a link to that story?
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#11330125 - 10/27/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I made this thread a good while ago! Reading back over my replies & questions its hilarious how much ive woken up in just a couple years...
Having made an immense amount of progress in my development i now feel i can speak about it rather than ask questions about it...
I now get trails after meditating sober so i dont think its due to the brains processes being slowed down, you are seeing actual traces of energy that are there, you are just more conscious of it
I have times where i can see energy coming off everything & everyone, i can sense music in more ways than hearing, i can feel it and see it, particularly when people express with their hands when they speak i can see trails very similar to tripping aswell
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#11333098 - 10/27/09 05:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah totally not metaphysical energy
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: thedudenj]
#11333132 - 10/27/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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IDK about trails. I have gotten them ever since I was a young kid. I think it has something to do with either the brain or the nature of reality. It isn't just psychedelics causing it. I see trails on like my phone or any light and stuff more vividly since psychedelics but it is just more nnoticable than before. I would say it has to do with the nature of reality and the way your brain tries to understand that. Not your brain slowed at all though since it happened from the time I was a little kid.
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when i see trails it's like my mind is lagging my awareness continues to move forward in time but the picture i have painted for myself gets left behind something along those lines or maybe not...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11333382 - 10/27/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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perhaps were just more one pointed and observe something and chose to hold that image in our heads because were still thinking about it?
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Don Juan]
#11333432 - 10/27/09 06:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11333448 - 10/27/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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except it's not so much a choice but a habit
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11333508 - 10/27/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is an old thread.
But, I vote for redgreenvines explaination.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11333515 - 10/27/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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holding on to something is the essence of treasure persistence trails we like that whole way of being. like having extra, but it's not materiality
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#11333568 - 10/27/09 06:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or the buddhist concept of attachment.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Shad0w]
#11333902 - 10/27/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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in the most simplest of terms anyhow, similarities can be found in either interpretation
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#11333924 - 10/27/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: holding on to something is the essence of treasure persistence trails we like that whole way of being. like having extra, but it's not materiality
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11337913 - 10/28/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don Juan said: perhaps were just more one pointed and observe something and chose to hold that image in our heads because were still thinking about it?
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Shad0w said: Or the buddhist concept of attachment.
Exactly, that is what I believe it is. Quote:
deranger said: except it's not so much a choice but a habit
Your choices still created that habbit, and you can probably likely make a choice to change that habbit. Telling yourself that you can't change it and you're now stuck as you are is you choosing to let it remain.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#11338051 - 10/28/09 12:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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it was never my belief that we cannot train ourselves to let go of habit. do you have the choice tonight to lucid dream all night? this is what i mean. habit prevents us from letting go right now to that extent.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11338166 - 10/28/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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deranger said: habit prevents us from letting go right now to that extent.
yes this is true although 'letting go' itself can become a habit to let go of  see 'letting go' is a concept an idea, another attachment letting of the idea of letting go is really letting go
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#11338239 - 10/28/09 12:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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of course!
it's not like there's any thought of letting go in true meditation, it unfolds with with watchfulness. seeee we're on the same page
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11338294 - 10/28/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great thread, not done reading through it yet but wanted to add something.
I have this experience with mushrooms with light, Im wondering how many of you also notice this.
After flipping the light switch in a dark room there is an actual delay that goes on where the light in the room slowly grows, much like a dimmer, as opposed to one flick and the room is full of light. For me its a gradual increase (5-10+seconds) of light that seems to be traveling to all corners of the room (or my retina) to slowly illuminate the entire room. This has also worked the other way around (turning off the light).
Any one? Any thoughts?
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#11338382 - 10/28/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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deranger said: it's not like there's any thought of letting go in true meditation, it unfolds with with watchfulness
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