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Chronic7

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Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down?
#7959607 - 01/31/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Do you think that trails are left over light/heat and general energy left over that you see trail behiond, or do you think ofit as the mind just slowing down?
I feel shrooms make us more aware to the energy that is ALL around so like to think trails are a part of this and not just being slowed down?
I think its debatable because shrooms also seem to make everything very simple and beautiful so maybe the side effect of this simplicity is the slowing of the brain processing?
Any thoughts?

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7959638 - 01/31/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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i think it has to do with the visual processing center of your brain. i dont think its a slowing down so much as it is changing the hardwiring a bit.
this may also be where some of the actual hallucinations are generated. since there have been studies done where the visual cortex is stimulated and people have similar to lsd like visuals.
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Chronic7

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959669 - 01/31/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I like to think ofit as seeing differently aswell , not necessarily slowed down but seeing it through a different awareness, and i like to think of that awareness as energy awareness as shrooms def make me more aware of energy.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959685 - 01/31/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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yeah, it's somehow affecting the way the image is being processed from your eyes
I think of it as your brain isn't processing the images as fast as they're entering, so there's remnants of the old ones left behind.
not so much a 'slowing down', but just a sort of rewiring (as said above), as the images have to travel through the visual cortex that's full of psilocybin
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Chronic7

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Seventy]
#7959696 - 01/31/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I see what you guys are saying as slowing down though, your not seeing things as they happen, your seeing them after. I dont like the thought of that to be honest. But im comfortable with the thought they are energy left behind that we usually dont see...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: evolprim]
#7959713 - 01/31/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Four main classes of visuals occur, all due to signals fading more slowly:
1. radial rainbow patterns or feathers 2. layered which includes trails 3. polyopia which includes wallpaper patterns 4. semi-independent animation/halucination
1. the rainbow patterns are visual cortex interference patterns due to slower fading of visual input, such that points of light radiating waves on the cortex interfere with points from succeeding visual moments. This produces gorgeous candy images from streetlights at night, but it is a bit subtle for daylight.
2. Layered celluloid images are complete images that persist longer and layer over succeding frames of visual input which include: a) being able to still see behind yourself after turning around (360 degree vision) b) seeing trails following a moving object. c) seeing through an image into an underlying image that was before you a moment ago... d) seeing a memory tableau superimposed on the visual field.
3. Polyopia is seeing multiples of images like feathers or stars or any motif, this also includes seeing miniature motifs that are in some way related to set and setting. It is characterized by multiple distinct elements fitting together in a fantastic but natural way, not normally possible in 3-d cartesian space. Polyopia is strongly suggestive of an holographic process (known to be true) being involved in ongoing mentation. I often see neon graffiti or writing that cannot be read, it changes so quickly, or cartoon characters...
4. Semi-independent halucination is most common with delerients but it does occur with psychedelics and it also is due to layering or persistence, but it is a longer chain of persistence that permits it, such as when parts of the self break off and seem to have ongoing ideas of their own that are seemingly at odds with the tripper. This is the part that makes superstitious people go insane, or religious people declaim visits by angels and deamons...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7960042 - 01/31/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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one time i looked behind me and saw a trail of my body walking, then shattering into thousands of pieces as i felt a gravitational force pull me foward rather than me consciously walk
it was as though there was a shift in awareness, time slowed down and my physical perception extended into the astral plane... a huge beast then jumped across the road and merged into a tree
why this trail occured, i do not exactly know, but i do know it had to do with a shift in awareness and perception
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: deranger]
#7960139 - 01/31/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I'm sure we can all agree that the brain does produce hallucinations due to certain centers and receptors of it being stimulated. However, I do think that those hallucinations can be the seeing of what is not there, i.e., energy. LSD, for me at least, involves a kaliedoscope filter over my vision, but the kaliedoscope moves in a circular pattern, repeated, so a section of my vision (say, a pop can) will move around and reform when it moves in a circle, but it repeats this pattern. This visualization to me means that everything has some sort of "cycle", whether it be a living thing or not, it is going to exist and then at some point it won't, but it will exist again.
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Chronic7

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#7960415 - 01/31/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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tyler_0_durden said: I'm sure we can all agree that the brain does produce hallucinations due to certain centers and receptors of it being stimulated. However, I do think that those hallucinations can be the seeing of what is not there, i.e., energy.
i beleive that on shrooms you are seeing what IS there,(open eyed anyway!) otherwise i wouldnt even do them, energy is definately there, we as unenlightened beings dont see it. I think you misworded your reply or something?
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#7960429 - 01/31/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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shrooming i kinda got the rainbow/invisible/kaleidoscope layer though at the point i was at for say 5 minutes maybe, i just sorta went with it, as ideas themselves didnt seem to hold themselves together at that point
its pretty weird tho how with no logic i still remember vivedly the way i was lookin
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Konyap]
#7960456 - 01/31/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
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Chronic7

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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: manyc]
#7960522 - 01/31/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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manyc said: Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
I know but ill still tell myslef its energy, i think because i fear the truth, if i think after images i thinkg being sloooooowed down and i dont like that, it makes me feel retarded, but it seems to be human things slowed down.
Sometimes you can have such intellectual conversations though... yet openning a rice crispies square is the hardest thing the world!
Its too weird that the brain can become SO enlightened yet be so dumbed down. I guess you get the 2 extremes, but through meditation could become one.
Makes me think thats all...
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7961317 - 01/31/08 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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On my last trip I kept looking at things and seeing them decay...it applied only to objects...watching them rust or the metal decompose and then restore itself over and over. I have no idea why other than some metaphor in my head about humanity but there was no conversation or anything about it...it was cool...anyone else ever see something similar?
(it wasn't a scary kind of thing but a "is what it is" kind of thing almost like there should of been a sign above it: "GET IT!!?!"..lol)
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Quilch]
#7961398 - 01/31/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I dont know about how real the patterns are.
Its been proven that the patterns are coming from your own brain. They are just as real as your thoughts. It has to do with the synapses in the optic nerve and the visual cortex i believe. whats interesting about this is the patterns you see are in some way existing in your brain.
but the full blown immersive ones like angels and demons and new worlds, i have no idea...
the collective unconscious of existence? just a thought.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: origami.octopus]
#7961455 - 01/31/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I think the interesting thing about visuals is that it shows how much your brain effects your view of reality. Even when your sober the brain is still altering and changing what you see around you. Its just that your used to it so it seems normal. But when your tripping, and you see people start moving in slow motion or time seems to almost stop, you think "how is that possible!!!???". It makes you question reality which i think is a good thing, because if you want to know what reality is you need to question it.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: DimensionX]
#7961487 - 01/31/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yeah your way of thinking it is more fun, but Im still more inclined to think that it is just your brain not processing it as fast because of all the things going on. However, you still may be right because I like to think of the effects of mushrooms to be more than just a chemical reaction but truth too.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: Chronic7]
#7961509 - 01/31/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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chronic777 said:
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manyc said: Afterimages... though it's fun to imagine it being energy. i have to mention though, ive seen energy emanating from people that were NOT moving. I mean energy flying off of them like solar flars.
That's not an afterimage
I know but ill still tell myslef its energy, i think because i fear the truth, if i think after images i thinkg being sloooooowed down and i dont like that, it makes me feel retarded, but it seems to be human things slowed down.
Sometimes you can have such intellectual conversations though... yet openning a rice crispies square is the hardest thing the world!
Its too weird that the brain can become SO enlightened yet be so dumbed down. I guess you get the 2 extremes, but through meditation could become one.
Makes me think thats all...
Why are you afraid of the truth? The brain is not being "slowed down", it's just shifting to a completely different way of working. It's not like you become stupid on these drugs, (though you probably won't be able to do school work) your brain is just opened to a new way of perceiving things. I actually like to think of myself as more intelligent on shrooms or acid, not slowed down.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7961871 - 01/31/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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redgreenvines said: Four main classes of visuals occur, all due to signals fading more slowly:
1. radial rainbow patterns or feathers 2. layered which includes trails 3. polyopia which includes wallpaper patterns 4. semi-independent animation/halucination
1. the rainbow patterns are visual cortex interference patterns due to slower fading of visual input, such that points of light radiating waves on the cortex interfere with points from succeeding visual moments. This produces gorgeous candy images from streetlights at night, but it is a bit subtle for daylight.
2. Layered celluloid images are complete images that persist longer and layer over succeding frames of visual input which include: a) being able to still see behind yourself after turning around (360 degree vision) b) seeing trails following a moving object. c) seeing through an image into an underlying image that was before you a moment ago... d) seeing a memory tableau superimposed on the visual field.
3. Polyopia is seeing multiples of images like feathers or stars or any motif, this also includes seeing miniature motifs that are in some way related to set and setting. It is characterized by multiple distinct elements fitting together in a fantastic but natural way, not normally possible in 3-d cartesian space. Polyopia is strongly suggestive of an holographic process (known to be true) being involved in ongoing mentation. I often see neon graffiti or writing that cannot be read, it changes so quickly, or cartoon characters...
4. Semi-independent halucination is most common with delerients but it does occur with psychedelics and it also is due to layering or persistence, but it is a longer chain of persistence that permits it, such as when parts of the self break off and seem to have ongoing ideas of their own that are seemingly at odds with the tripper. This is the part that makes superstitious people go insane, or religious people declaim visits by angels and deamons...
Once on a fairly heavy dose of LSD I was at my house and I was looking at myself in the mirror. As I turned to walk away I noticed that my reflection stayed in the mirror. This tripped me out pretty hard when it first happened. But I guess that counts as a layered celluloid image.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: xaeviax]
#7962029 - 01/31/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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For the 2 people that said they turned around and saw a delayed image of themselves (one in the mirror, the other just walking somewhere), how could this be explained? It's not in the same realm as a trail, as you'd of had to see yourself to begin with for the image to be planted there.
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Re: Are Trails Energy or Brain slowed down? [Re: krypto2000]
#7962041 - 01/31/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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krypto2000 said: For the 2 people that said they turned around and saw a delayed image of themselves (one in the mirror, the other just walking somewhere), how could this be explained? It's not in the same realm as a trail, as you'd of had to see yourself to begin with for the image to be planted there.
Yeah on one trip I saw myself doing things in the mirror that I wasnt doing. Super creepy lol.
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