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joedonbaker
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That's what I meant by "Keep in mind this is a clone". My point was keeping conditions ideal can increase yields without adding more nutrients. If you go from an uncased, multispore cake to a cased, clone/isolate cake you are almost certainly going to have a better harvest, but you still have that same base "food source" of BRF.
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Re: How much shrooms we talkin'? [Re: joedonbaker]
#7959965 - 01/31/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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hehe... those are also two double stacked 1/2 pints.. but that isolate does kick ass in fruit potentiality.. casing a cake will give you a higher chance for fruit development; bringing you closer to the max potential of the cakes' fruit production.. i.e., more pins.. and if you have those pins and the right amount of water, those pins will mature into full fruit bodies. nutes will really only come into play in an extreme sense if you are talking about the longevity of the cake over multiple flushes.. a cake or any other substrate never uses all it's nutes to produce fruits and giving it an over abundance of nutes won't necessarily make it perform better if the needed amount is already there.. a cake has a set amount that it will produce over any amount of flushes. whether you get them in the first two flushes or four so-so flushes. this is of course based on the myc you are using.
I would say that if you do really nice research and follow advice well you can expect about 3.5-6.0 dry grams from each cake.. thats if you get them past the colonization stage and keep them well hydrated.. dunk.. or add water to the casing layer slowly over the period of a few days. probably the easiest way to do it is dunk right after you start seeing pins form on the cakes while they are still in the jars.. this takes about 4 weeks on average.. then you can just DEC or do a roll, but for god sakes clean the verm you are rolling your cakes in first.. don't roll it in that nasty dirty ass shit.. lol you work soooo hard to keep your cakes clean, don't wreck in at the end. 
for your first time, I would suggest not using anything automated or even an incubator.. room temp for colonization and fruiting is just fine.. thats all I've ever used.. not to say you shouldn't incubate if you want to, just not the first time.. keep it super simple KISS.. your first time... get some fruits and then experiment so if you do fail in some respect, and you will so get used to it, you won't feel too discouraged to keep trying because you already know you can do it in a simple way.
never put your eggs in one basket if you are trying something new or if something just "feels right" to do.. "feels right" doesn't grow mushrooms, experience and failure does. tis the root of science. good luck!
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Re: How much shrooms we talkin'? [Re: fahtster]
#7960003 - 01/31/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I actually had an idea about what going on when we flush the substrate.. just from what I've seen anyway... the sub creates tertiary tissue where it's exposed to gases like CO2 and O2.. this tissue is what produces the fruit bodies.. and when we are flushing the substrate, we are just using up that available tertiary tissue.. thats why when you get a huge first flush, your subsequent flushes are smaller because you've already used up that available tissue.. the second flush usually comes so fast that it only has that leftover tissue to produce fruits for the "second" flush which is really just an extension of the first or available fruiting myc.. the sub doesn't have enough time before the second flush to produce more tertiary tissue where the first was picked due to not having been exposed to those gases. I say this because I never really see new fruits growing from the already picked areas.. If I get a nice first flush I'll usually only see fruits on the edges and a few between the areas of the first flush.
just an idea about whats happening... cakes are no different in this respect except that they have a lot of exposed surface area which = more tertiary tissue available to fruit from.. I think thats why smaller substrates tend to fruit more aggressively than say a large straw log... Im sure a lot of other factors come into play of course, but just some things to think about. 
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Re: How much shrooms we talkin'? [Re: fahtster]
#7963060 - 02/01/08 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hey thank you all for your advice. I really hope this first go around really gives me some good shroom yields, and hey I know if anything goes wrong you guys know more then me so I'll just ask, and keep on growin'....also, i know i'm getting ahead of myself but any good techniques that are cheap and easy from drying them?
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