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Offlineprankster
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    #7957255 - 01/30/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Are we creating what Hakim Bey would call a Temporary Autonomous Zone here? I mean, are we creating some higher collective that benefits all involved from within?

When two or more people gather, do they form a third entity?


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957349 - 01/30/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

if you take a holistic view on communication i would say yes.

sort of the opposite of groupthink.


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957359 - 01/30/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Are we creating what Hakim Bey would call a Temporary Autonomous Zone here? I mean, are we creating some higher collective that benefits all involved from within?





No. The internet is far too alienating for this forum to count as a "Temporary Autonomous Zone" as Bey described.


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957441 - 01/30/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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When two or more people gather, do they form a third entity?




The third entity in that context is the thing or person being discussed. And actually does have a lot to do with its creation.
I am sure we are all here for the benefit of ourselves and other members. The benefactor being our collective understanding. Hopefully it is not temporary;), I have been coming back and forth for 8 years.


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Re: TAZ [Re: Fugai]
    #7957455 - 01/30/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I am talking about actually hearing this third entity in our heads, like telepathy.


Edited by prankster (01/30/08 08:53 PM)


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957466 - 01/30/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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I am talking about actually hearing this third entity in our heads, like telepathy.



I know I do:crazy2:


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Re: TAZ [Re: Fugai]
    #7957484 - 01/30/08 07:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Thought you would be occupied in the topless woman thread. :P


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957494 - 01/30/08 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

THERES A TOPLESS WOMAN THREAD??:eek:


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Re: TAZ [Re: Fugai]
    #7957532 - 01/30/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

What are you talking about? I know no such things.


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957763 - 01/30/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Maybe I can explain better what I mean as telepathy is the wrong word. When you share silence with someone else, do you ever feel like the other persons perspective fuses with your own in your mind? Like sharing thoughts through being centered on the same frequency, not by sending or receiving thoughts.

Sometimes I can write a post here, when people start reading it, I pick up other perspectives and know what responses will come. It is like it is explained to me before it is posted, when the one replying is still writing it, but the response didn't hit me before someone read my post and then thought about it.

Also if I have read something or written something and share it with others. Then afterwards when I read it again, without having spoken to them, I read it with a new perspective. Almost like some of their perspectives got absorbed into the piece.

Madness?


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7957826 - 01/30/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

it's been a while since i've read about TAZ.

would sitting in contemplation on the grass between two roads with a sign saying "i am here" be considered a temporary autonomous zone?

or is the interaction between two or more people required?


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Re: TAZ [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7957918 - 01/30/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think you'd need the sign, or that you'd necessarily need to be with anyone else, although that might enrich the experience. It seems the point is to be present in a space in a way that it is not designed for, to reclaim it from it's utilitarian function and humanize it, if only for a moment.

Your idea actually reminds me of the time I went on an ice cream picnic with a new lover on the meridian of one of the busiest roads in the city. Cars were rushing by really close, and the space was definitly hostile to our presense, but that was exactly what made that experience so exhilarating.


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Re: TAZ [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7957984 - 01/30/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
It seems the point is to be present in a space in a way that it is not designed for, to reclaim it from it's utilitarian function and humanize it, if only for a moment.




Ah, okay. That's how I view it too. Memory recharged. :smile:

I like the experience you describe.

Deep down it seems that through these kinds of moments, a third person observing might question whether he's dreaming, even if only on a subconscious level of awareness..

A little :wtf: to enlighten daily life, so to speak. :mushroom2:


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Re: TAZ [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7958017 - 01/30/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Good stuff.

See now TAZ wasn't what I was aiming for, but turned out pretty well anyway/


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Re: TAZ [Re: prankster]
    #7958053 - 01/30/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Heidegger says that in order to formulate a question it must also contain that which is being questioned.Which is true, you have to identify what your questioning. So you might say the question "contains" the answer, or that the question "implies" the answer.
I to share the view that people in a sense "harmonize", and can do so without expression of thoughts. I like the concept the Buddhists have in there "storehouse consciousness". I have heard it also referred to as a "collective consciousness". I think both reflect a view of the same, I like "collective storehouse consciousness". It "develops" in a sense along side our own individual consciousness. We all have access to it, we are all an individual expression of it you might say.


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Re: TAZ [Re: Fugai]
    #7958090 - 01/30/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Interesting. Sometimes I feel like I can touch this collectivity and see it clearly, even if just for a moment. In my experience I find that being consciously present in the now is the state in which we can step out of individual consciousness and tune into other levels of awareness.

I think that's why it happens that the picture eludes us whenever we point our finger at it and attempt to define it. I have yet to find myself being in the moment whenever I'm trying to explain and "talk about something." :lol:


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