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An Eye for an Eye....
    #7956786 - 01/30/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Acceptable as a means of dealing with unpleasantness forced upon another,
or a complete hypocritical way of reasoning a revenge....?

Why....?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7956800 - 01/30/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

An eye for an eye should be implemented into our law. That way we could not be imprisoned for eating mushrooms


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: Cubie]
    #7956806 - 01/30/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

No.
An eye for an IS the reason why we go to jail for eating mushrooms.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7956856 - 01/30/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Who is that an even punishment?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7956858 - 01/30/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I think it is relating the belief that whatever you do you should be willing to have done to yourself. Akin to the philosophy of Karma. The word Karma means "action", and that is all it means.
So I think and eye for an eye, is just saying an action for an action.
I do think that whatever you do SHOULD be returned.
Balance should be maintained
But revenge is entirely different. It is a selfish action. It is done with your own feelings in mind, no one else's.
Justice should be sought. But not for personal gratification.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: Fugai]
    #7956882 - 01/30/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

biblical revenge


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7956883 - 01/30/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind." Gandhi

Pure logic.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: Fugai]
    #7956901 - 01/30/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

Justice should be sought. But not for personal gratification.




How would you define "justice"?
Justice, it's nature is personal, it addresses to persons and it reacts in the same manner.
Case in which it means that it must have so sort of impersonal form. And I am asking you again: how so you see that happening? Like in practical terms.
The exact same action can and is just for some and unjust for others. It all comes down to which side the law decides to incline and it suddenly becomes acceptable.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7956914 - 01/30/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Should actions of violence and such just be forgiven and left "unpunished" -
given that the person has a history for such unneeded actions towards others....?

Do we not pluck weeds from our gardens for the detriment they do to the "good" plants....?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: prankster]
    #7956923 - 01/30/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I like that quote Prankster.  :thumbup:

About the same thing,  "Two wrongs don't make a right"


But it's difficult not to want to retaliate.  Especially in extreme circumstances. I mean if someone hurt my child, I'd go to prison if need be to ensure they never hurt another child. 

Even if you do believe in karma, isn't it possible that you could be the instrument karma uses to create balance?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: prankster]
    #7956927 - 01/30/08 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

prankster said:
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind." Gandhi
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Pure logic.




It is a cool logical twist on the words (only)....
Not everyone pokes out the eyes of others (thus would not need an eye poked out in return)....


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7957113 - 01/30/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Exactly. Not everyone goes around poking peoples eyes out. I have to say also (even though I'm sure I will be attacked for it) that Ghandi did not help anyone. I like the quote " Evil prevails when good men fail to act". Ghandi failed to act. Can anyone imagine a world where no-one fights back? I wonder what our world would be like right now if no-one had? I have always thought of violence as a sort of physical dialogue. Unfortunately some issues cannot be dealt with by debate. And the reason is, not everyone practices acceptance.
The only thing we should not accept as a people is non-acceptance.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7957197 - 01/30/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

The exact same action can and is just for some and unjust for others. It all comes down to which side the law decides to incline and it suddenly becomes acceptable.




I usually try to compassionately debate others views respectfully. I am sorry that this struck a cord.
But that is absolute bullshit!!
That sort of pluralistic perspectivism is what leads to, for one thing, the abuse of millions of people based on religious beliefs. That we should accept any action that harms an inoccent person or curtails there own freedoms as a human being based on the fact that it is part of some belief system sickens me.
What about the castration of young woman in Islam?
Ancient religions had instances of human sacrifice, should we accept that?
Another interpretation of what your saying would lead to the logical conclusion that Rape, Murder etcetera etcetera are acceptable depending on the persons perspective who is performing the act. Again, sorry, but bullshit
That sort of thinking is also what leads to burglars filing law suits against residence because they fell on a knife while trying to break in. It has happened!


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7957236 - 01/30/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

prankster said:
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind." Gandhi
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Pure logic.




It is a cool logical twist on the words (only)....
Not everyone pokes out the eyes of others (thus would not need an eye poked out in return)....


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But everyone does something to hurt someone, intentional or not. When it escalates, you end up there. I recommend you read Brothers Karamazov.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: Fugai]
    #7957253 - 01/30/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

Fugai said:
I have to say also that Gandhi did not help anyone. I like the quote " Evil prevails when good men fail to act". Gandhi failed to act.




But, he was being the change that he wanted to see....    :wink:
Dood had some clever aphorisms, fo~ sho~....    :thumbup:



Quote:

Fugai said:
Can anyone imagine a world where no-one fights back? I wonder what our world would be like right now if no-one had?




If no one ever fought back (no one), there would never be any fights....
But, can you have that type of scenario with aggressors....?



Quote:

Fugai said:
Unfortunately some issues cannot be dealt with by debate. And the reason is, not everyone practices acceptance.
The only thing we should not accept as a people is non-acceptance.




Emotions generally escalate way to strong before a solution/compromise can be made....
Acceptance is not always the answer....
But, this is all without any real context....


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: prankster]
    #7957295 - 01/30/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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prankster said:
But everyone does something to hurt someone, intentional or not.
When it escalates, you end up there.




No, not everyone does something TO hurt someone....
It is semantics, but there is a difference....
Some people are just upset by words - which are HARMLESS (always within reason)....
(assuming you are giving a general verbal exchange example).

If I call you a name and it hurts you, and you retaliate by calling me a name that doesn't hurt me, does it escalate....?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7957314 - 01/30/08 07:12 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Exactly, it is semantics. But the point is if someone is hurt by you (on purpose or not) and follow the philosophy of an eye for an eye, then they will get back at you. Then you get back at them, they at you, etc.

If you don't call me a name back, then you didn't make me pay an eye for an eye. You raised above it. That's like saying Gandhi got beat in the face, but he didn't let it hurt him, so he didn't react.

I'm not so sure about this as I might sound though. Good points you made.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7957345 - 01/30/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Apparently the change he wanted to see was indifference to oppression. Although, yes, it is admitable the man could coin a phrase.
I absolutely disagree that if no-one ever fought back there would be no conflict. There will always be those who seek power over others. There will always be those who demand others live as they do, or believe as they do etcetera. And anyway, as it has been shown. Conflict/competition is integral to the evolution of any complex system (ie society).
Of course emotions do lead to a lot of un-needed conflict. But thats not what I was referring to. Exactly as you say, acceptance is not always the answer. There are something we should not and cannot accept. But, yes, this is all without context.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: prankster]
    #7957361 - 01/30/08 07:26 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Thats all a bit childish. Getting back (revenge/retribution) is entirely different than the notion of justice, or balance. Harm is not always completely subjective.
Action for action, not word for word


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Re: An Eye for an Eye.... [Re: prankster]
    #7957364 - 01/30/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

This is an escalation of a fight you are talking about....
Getting to a point of physical violence from a starting point of words seems silly....
Not saying that it doesn't happen every day....
But, this stuff is ego driven pissing matches mostly....


I guess I was thinking more clear-cut contrast situations....
Like, a guy randomly goes out and causes violence/kills a frail harmless old woman for no reason, without any escalation or "real" reason....
Should she, her family, and community accept this and "hope" that it goes away and doesn't happen again....?


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