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OfflineKickleM
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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: razmablues]
    #7960027 - 01/31/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

"Marijuana can lead to a host of health, social, and behavioral problems at a crucial time in kids' life"


I don't see any false statement here. They were careful enough to use the word Can, and that's true, it can lead to those things. As someone else pointed out, it can effect your lungs. As many other posters on many forums have pointed out, anxiety in social situations can result from being high.

The question is whether or not Marijuana itself is the cause of these things, and again, the phrasing was careful enough to say that marijuana Leads to this. In other words, even if it isn't the direct cause, it can be a factor in what is the real cause.


"Smoking marijuana is just as bad as smoking cigarettes, and you already know how dangerous tobacco smoke is to your health

This one is very subjective, and therefore hard to defend. Yeah, I'd say they were definitely going for the "everyone knows smoking is bad" to get parents on their side.


"More kids enter drug rehabilitation for marijuana than for all other illegal drugs combined."

I couldn't find anything to support or disprove this claim. I don't really doubt it though, as the most commonly used illegal drug a kid uses pre-18 is Marijuana, thus allowing parents to send their kid to rehab for it. Again, I don't see the disinformation.

"If you're smoking marijuana, you could do things that jeopardize your future, like having sex or doing other drugs."


Sounds true enough to me. You very well could do those things as a result. You could also not, which is what the word Could implies.


"Marijuana use is associated with violent behavior. Kids who use marijuana weekly are four times more likely to engage in violent behavior than those who don't."


Why are you so sure it's false? I know that for myself personally, I have been in a LOT more violent situations as a result of the people I know through marijuana alone. All they're saying, is that marijuana is linked to it, not necessarily the cause. Sounds like they're using a statistic they found in a study.



The only problem I see with this, is that people see what they want to. A parent sees the evil nature of marijuana, while the user sees blatant lies. I see a slanted argument that was overall pretty careful to NOT lie.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Kickle]
    #7960165 - 01/31/08 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Kickle said:
The only problem I see with this, is that people see what they want to. A parent sees the evil nature of marijuana, while the user sees blatant lies. I see a slanted argument that was overall pretty careful to NOT lie.




It was careful not to lie explicitly. It definitely hypes up some of those "facts" and many of them cannot be proved or disproved.

I'd say there's a possible grain of truth in all of them, even the violence issue.

However, they're also using the term "kid" which makes it vague and implies underage use at the same time.

Regardless, it's propaganda whether it lies obviously or not.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Kickle]
    #7960171 - 01/31/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

i never feel any anxiety in social situations when stoned, i do when I'm sober but when I'm stoned I'm a chill guy ready to meet you your brother your friends whoever,

allot of those statements in that brochure could be true for some people, but you don't hear them saying anything about all the great affects, weed is a major anti depressant for me, i would have killed myself when i was a young teen (in-fact i tried to a few times) if i hadn't started smoking the good herb,

and also cannabis is the best sleep aid known to man (for me) i never have a fuller more restful sleep then after a bowl,


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7960185 - 01/31/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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But pot will not give you lung cancer. Straight up.

Scientists have identified many of the same carcinogens in cannabis smoke as in tobacco smoke. Scientists have also observed the developement of precancerous legions in the lungs of marijuana smokers. But when they actually did a long term populational study to put the issue to rest, here's what they found (with respect to cancers of the mouth, lung, and throat):

People who smoke cigarettes get shitloads of cancer (duh).
People who smoke both cigarettes and pot get significantly less cancer (cool).
People who don't smoke anything get cancer once in a while.
People who smoke pot get cancer a touch less frequently than that.

And bear in mind the scientists who did this study honestly expected to prove smoking pot causes cancer.




All that you say is true and in case anyone was wondering if there is documentation to back this up, there is. Washington Post


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7960936 - 01/31/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

ya cause the media NEVER lies, if its printed then it has to be true :rolleyes:


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Kickle]
    #7961105 - 01/31/08 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Kickle said:
"If you're smoking marijuana, you could do things that jeopardize your future, like having sex or doing other drugs."


Sounds true enough to me. You very well could do those things as a result. You could also not, which is what the word Could implies.



I only really disagree with you on this one. I don't think anyone has sex or does other drugs as a result of smoking weed. That's purely speculation. There are no studies that I'm aware of that show any direct correlation between smoking weed and having sex. Other drugs, yeah maybe, but again, I think it's more if you're the sort of person who would break the law and smoke weed you are more likely to be the sort of person who breaks the law in other ways than a direct result of marijuana use.

The whole thing seems carefully worded and obviously slanted, but except for this point, I can see a grain of truth in all of their points.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #7961107 - 01/31/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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i never feel any anxiety in social situations when stoned, i do when I'm sober but when I'm stoned I'm a chill guy ready to meet you your brother your friends whoever,

allot of those statements in that brochure could be true for some people, but you don't hear them saying anything about all the great affects, weed is a major anti depressant for me, i would have killed myself when i was a young teen (in-fact i tried to a few times) if i hadn't started smoking the good herb,

and also cannabis is the best sleep aid known to man (for me) i never have a fuller more restful sleep then after a bowl,


peace out Dm




I'm glad that marijuana helps you, I really am.

And of course they aren't going to be discussing the good uses of marijuana, as their goal is quite the opposite. If you're a Republican, you are probably going to talk up the Republican party, as well as slander the Democratic. Does that mean that the Democratic party is all bad? No. Do you believe that because a person who believes that Republican ideals are better is an evil individual? I don't, and I also don't think that people who are against marijuana are evil either.

We all have our weird beliefs, and if someone thinks that marijuana is the cause of problems, so be it. I'm not going to give them more evidence that it is, but I'm also not going to call the evidence that is there a lie.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: mayfly]
    #7961138 - 01/31/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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mayfly said:
Quote:

Kickle said:
"If you're smoking marijuana, you could do things that jeopardize your future, like having sex or doing other drugs."


Sounds true enough to me. You very well could do those things as a result. You could also not, which is what the word Could implies.



I only really disagree with you on this one. I don't think anyone has sex or does other drugs as a result of smoking weed. That's purely speculation. There are no studies that I'm aware of that show any direct correlation between smoking weed and having sex. Other drugs, yeah maybe, but again, I think it's more if you're the sort of person who would break the law and smoke weed you are more likely to be the sort of person who breaks the law in other ways than a direct result of marijuana use.

The whole thing seems carefully worded and obviously slanted, but except for this point, I can see a grain of truth in all of their points.




I see what you're saying. I was speaking from my personal experience. I'm much more likely to screw my girlfriend while stoned, because it makes the sexual feelings all that much more intense. Like eating food can be a completely different experience while high, so can sex.

I found myself using marijuana mostly as a sexual tool for quite a while. So from my experiences, I can see how the point could be made that individuals are more likely to have sex when using marijuana.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Kickle]
    #7961219 - 01/31/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I see what you mean. From my personal experience, my sex drive doesn't change when I'm stoned, so for me that statement would be inaccurate. But I've yet to see any study that proves that either of us are right, so I think that's an unprovable supposition on their part.

Slightly off topic, it's also debatable whether or not having sex or using other drugs "jeopardizes your future"--many people, impressionable teens included, have sex and do drugs without jeopardizing their futures in any way. Do some people? Yes. Do all? No. They also don't bother to use language like "may" or "could" here, they go right out and say that it will jeopardize one's future.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7961221 - 01/31/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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ya cause the media NEVER lies, if its printed then it has to be true :rolleyes:




Don't roll your eyes at me.

This was printed in the Washington post, based on findings done by doctors at UCLA. So who, in your opinion is lying, and why? The fine people at the washington post or the specialists at UCLA? I would like to know what credentials you carry that gives you any clout to disprove the findings. Are you an investigative journalist? PhD of medicine? Could you provide links to your own research?

Unless you provide some sort of substantive prove that there is a conspiracy between the washington post and ucla, why should I believe your assertion that either institution is lying?

The study predicted that they would find a correlation between lung cancer and smoking pot. So if there were an incentive to lie, the incentive would be to lie and say that there is correspondance between marijuana use and lung cancer.

But you probably didn't even read the article that I provided, did you?

Instead of being lazy and assuming that everything around you is a conspiracy theory just because that way you don't have to actually read or think, do society a favor and actually read the article and provide intelligent criticisms, or just don't even open your mouth to begin with.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7961347 - 01/31/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

:lolz0rz:  well said


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7961440 - 01/31/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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But you probably didn't even read the article that I provided, did you?




heh
guilty as charged, i just felt like being cheeky, no reason to get your feathers all ruffled up


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7961532 - 01/31/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

nah, he has a reason, you kind of put him off as a fool for believing the washington post, without even looking into the evidence he provided.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: razmablues]
    #7961553 - 01/31/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

This wouldn't happen to be a brochure that says "Stoned Cold Stupid" on the front of it would it? I believe I've seen a brochure that had that and mentioned all of those "facts".


Edited by frisky_ (01/31/08 06:49 PM)


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: frisky_]
    #7961568 - 01/31/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Marijuana makes your brain bleed.
End of story.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7961582 - 01/31/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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andyistic said:
Marijuana makes your brain bleed.
End of story.



i thought that was mdma :tongue2:
lets take ice cream scoops out of our grey matter guys!


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7961614 - 01/31/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Someone needs to engineer a virus that causes the brain to produce LSD molecules in place of serotonin.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7961630 - 01/31/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

nah that could get annoying
rather a device that can be activated by a specific neural signal that releases a specified amount of lsd directly into the bloodstream :thumbup:


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7961649 - 01/31/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

The beauty of my method is that it cannot be outlawed.


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Re: Marijuana Brochure my mom picked up [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7961666 - 01/31/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

u just have to have it implanted and have like a catheter coming out where u can refill it with anything u want, needleless iv :syringe:


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