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AgroCrag
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Mormon Brainwashing?
#7955718 - 01/30/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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No offense to any LDS members but from all the Mormons that I went to school with it seems that the church has got a very reliable strategy to "brainwash" all the children of their family. Any thoughts on a specific technique they use? I myself attended some morning sessions with a friend of mine to see how they do this and it seems, in my opinion, the leaders or Bishops of the church that taught the seminary use a little bit of NLP (Neural Linguistic Patterning) to associate feelings of fear with certain body languages and voice tones. Also I feel the family aspect of the religion plays a huge part in their children's lives by keeping them more at home when younger to build bonds with other Mormons that live near them. I thought about this with my sister and every single Mormon family that we both knew all had a trampoline, which with little evidence I have I speculate it as to keep kids close by and not let the nature of others influence the young children.
I am not trying to flame Mormons for this because almost all religions have their brainwashing fear-tactics techniques, it just seems more obvious and prominent in their religion.
And by the way I have nothing against the Mormons I know a lot of them and they are some of the nicest people out there. But also sometimes too nice
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: AgroCrag]
#7956309 - 01/30/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Actually religion is a bit player in the programming game. All of culture programs us.
First Mater and Pater, then school and friends, then church and state, work place and entertainment and on and on.
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: AgroCrag]
#7956315 - 01/30/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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so, a group of people dont think like you, dont act like you, and seem generally happier and nicer than you, and you search for who the evil mastermind is that deludes them into not being a misanthropic person such as yourself?
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: AgroCrag]
#7956470 - 01/30/08 04:44 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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But also sometimes too nice.
The guy that blew up and recently wanted to kill me over nothing was a 'very nice' Jehovah's Witness.
There is nothing wrong with being nice if it is a genuine aspect of your being, but if it is merely suppression, the emotion will eventually come out in an exposive manner all out of proportion to the triggering event.
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Yawning Anus, please criticize the idea, not the person.
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Middleman]
#7958524 - 01/30/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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As a former Mormon, maybe I can help. I didn't grow up in the church, but I joined when I was 9 and left when I was 16.
I don't think any of the brainwashing is intentional, it's just a side effect from a religious philosophy that becomes involved in almost every part of your life.
They have a strong sense of community and very admirable moral values. I think that these are things that our bodies need in a very literal, physical sense.
I can be more specific if you want me to, especially if you ask more specific questions.
In all honesty, there were very few Mormons that I knew that I didn't like. Especially the more open-minded, liberal Mormons (maybe that's just a product of California). If it weren't for the whole god thing, I might still be a member.
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Middleman]
#7958641 - 01/30/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Middleman said: Yawning Anus, please criticize the idea, not the person.
once someone incorporates their own actions in the telling or explanation of an idea, they have attached themselves to their theory. Are we no longer able to point out the persons faulty logic in their attempt to belittle an entire religion and must forge on with respect to their prima delusion? sure, i could have gone on pointing out the huge flaws after the initial logical fallacy and presupposed superiority, but then a point would have been lost on all wouldnt it? I think it was an honest question, which has yet to be answered.
there was no flaming, trolling, or attack. All I did was point out, through a question, that his primary logic was rather self absorbed and flawed.... and from his subjective analysis of the average mormon persona, he all but labelled himself as misanthropic in comparison.
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Fair enough, but please refrain from labeling a person, stick to their ideas.
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YawningAnus said:
...being a misanthropic person such as yourself?
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Middleman]
#7958677 - 01/30/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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no different than calling someone grouchy.
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Middleman

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Hardly.
mis·an·throp·ic = marked by a hatred or contempt for humankind.
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Middleman]
#7958749 - 01/31/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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i new a young mormon couple they had to pay a certain percentage of their wage to their church they seemed very happy didnt even drink soda they were so healthy i think mormonism is a very good religon and im aethist
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Coaster]
#7958770 - 01/31/08 12:25 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah, Mormons seem to have succeeded in finding a religion that really gives them happiness and satisfaction. They're about the nicest people you'll ever meet. And unlike most Christians, they don't automatically condemn people to hell for not believing in God. They don't even have a Hell (for people anyway), just a least-enjoyable subrealm of Heaven.
Unfortunately, too much of it just doesn't sit right to me. I'm an agnostic, for one thing. Their idea of a pre-birth period of consciousness where you lived in God's presence even though you can't remember it now also weirds me out a bit. And of course there's the whole Joseph Smith thing. But I have respect for Mormonism in its ability to bring out such genuine niceness in people. I guess I can't deny that the brainwashing-like aspect of it doesn't weird me out a bit too though.
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YawningAnus said: so, a group of people dont think like you, dont act like you, and seem generally happier and nicer than you, and you search for who the evil mastermind is that deludes them into not being a misanthropic person such as yourself?
Don't get me wrong here, I respect all the Mormons I know, they are very nice and always a benefit to have in anyones community but I'm just pointing out the aspect of what I felt as I have talked and questioned their reasons. Yes I know there is not a huge mastermind but as stated by a former Mormon the "brain-washing" aspect seems to be just a natural product of the moral values and lifestyle they are akin to. And by the way I'm definately not a "misanthropic" person. I just want to see any opinions on this subject.
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: Ferris]
#7959105 - 01/31/08 03:51 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Ferris said: As a former Mormon, maybe I can help. I didn't grow up in the church, but I joined when I was 9 and left when I was 16.
I don't think any of the brainwashing is intentional, it's just a side effect from a religious philosophy that becomes involved in almost every part of your life.
They have a strong sense of community and very admirable moral values. I think that these are things that our bodies need in a very literal, physical sense.
I can be more specific if you want me to, especially if you ask more specific questions.
In all honesty, there were very few Mormons that I knew that I didn't like. Especially the more open-minded, liberal Mormons (maybe that's just a product of California). If it weren't for the whole god thing, I might still be a member.
Thanks for your info, this is the kind of answer I was looking for but I have one question. I know this might not apply to the boys in the religion but did you ever attend the camps where it was all boys. I know the girls go to this camp(at least in my area) I just seems different to single out the genders like that. I don't know what specifically was taught or done there, it could have been anything but from some of the girls I know now said that it really has prepared them for their married life (at 19!). I might be wrong that LDS is the only religion that has single gender camps like that but I've never heard of one for any other Christian sect, and I was raised in the church until I was 16. Thanks again
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Re: Mormon Brainwashing? [Re: AgroCrag]
#7959108 - 01/31/08 03:53 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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here is a huge problem with the use of the word "brainwashing".
to state that someone else is brainwashed is implied superiority in many ways. First, it says that your beliefs, your way of life, and your perspective are more "correct". second, it implies that said brainwashed person is less intelligent than you, or atleast that you were able to repel the powerful brainwashing rays due to your superior mental prowess. Third it implies an evil agenda.... which ultimately implies that you are righteous and so is your agenda.
conditioning is more apt. everyone is conditioned, directly and indirectly. your sexual preference, aesthetic appreciation, political affiliation.... so to say that you were conditioned better than someone is rather absurd, because it is all someone else construction... even the idea that you have better conditioning is a part of your conditioning.
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