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OfflineBrAiN
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Nader gets serious about presidential bid
    #7955513 - 01/30/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

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WASHINGTON (CNN) – Ralph Nader, the longtime consumer advocate who was blamed by many Democrats for Al Gore’s loss in the 2000 presidential election, launched an exploratory committee Wednesday for another White House bid, and told CNN he is likely to get in the race if he can put the resources in place.




I wrote Nader in last time when I lived in Cali because the communist John Kerry succeeded at getting his name off the ballot....

I was a bit of a Nader-raider back then... not anymore. Plus I think the decision between Bush and Kerry was just ridiculous so I had to find a third party to vote for.

The other reason I think I voted for Nader was BECAUSE of the fact that Kerry has his name removed from the ballot. I thought Kerry's tactics at trying everything he could think of to keep people from voting for whoever they want, goes against the entire principles of freedom. This was part of the reason I depised Kerry... Bush sucked but I knew because of this trickey, Kerry would have been just as bad.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7955640 - 01/30/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

How much do you think the Republicans are paying him this time?


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7955649 - 01/30/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

It's the return of Judas


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7955722 - 01/30/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

McCain (R)
Clinton (D)
Bloomberg (I)
Nader (I)
McKinney (Green)


this is depressing.....


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7955754 - 01/30/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
McCain (R)
Clinton (D)
Bloomberg (I)
Nader (I)
McKinney (Green)


this is depressing.....




Don't you mean:
Paul (R)

But seriously this is depressing. Even from an entertainment perspective. Watching Clinton and McCain go head to head in debates and mudslinging is just going to be so ugly.

I still think Obama has a shot at this, however. We will know so very soon.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7956892 - 01/30/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

...And the world yawns. If he announced tomorrow, he might be polling at half a percent by the end of next month. What a wanker.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: LucidDream]
    #7957539 - 01/30/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think Nader's a wanker. He sticks to his beliefs and stands up for himself. I think his followers are more of an idiot than he is actually. They're the commies that give him a bad name.

Nader needs to realize he'll never have a chance, though.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7957576 - 01/30/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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BrAiN said:I think his followers are more of an idiot than he is actually. They're the commies that give him a bad name.


Who here voted for him again?


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: DieCommie]
    #7957591 - 01/30/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Hey that was years ago! I've wisened up since


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7957608 - 01/30/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Well, to be fair, I voted for Gore... so nobody is perfect.  Thankfully I too have gained much wisdom. :japsmile:


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: DieCommie]
    #7958027 - 01/30/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

That doesn't mean you wish you'd of voted for Bush.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: carbonhoots]
    #7958198 - 01/30/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

The American two party system confuses me so much.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: jjr]
    #7958369 - 01/30/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Save it for the post-Obama world Nader, I beg of you.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: Ferris]
    #7959224 - 01/31/08 06:03 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

You gotta give Nader this at least: He sticks to his guns and calls out both Republicans and Democrats on being douches and for using him as a scapegoat.

I still respect Nader.. and more power to him... He doesn't pander and his values and rhetoric never change like everyone else does....

but I just wouldn't vote for him anymore.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7960462 - 01/31/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I think that the definition of wanker just might be perfectly realized by Ralph Nader. Pointless feel good behavior with zero chance of bearing fruit except a transitory euphoria that leaves a small mess in its wake. Spot on, if you ask me.

Nader's stock investments might be of interest to you. He has become quite wealthy. For a pointless exercise in knee chopping try this.
http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

There's lots more if you want to look. I've done all I'm going to.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7960573 - 01/31/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

nader bore some fruit, he stopped gore from winning, by some opinions


When third parties consistantly threaten the mainstream candidates, the mainstream candidates will have to recognize those views of the third party candidate that their supporters favor.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: johnm214]
    #7960684 - 01/31/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

If you will recall Nader didn't fuck over Gore so much because Gore voters wanted to vote for Nader. The accusation, with pretty much zero actual support apart from some anecdotal reports from retards, was that people were confused by the ballot and mistakenly selected Gore. Three things about this.

1. No actual proof
2. Should people too stupid to fill out a ballot even have a vote?
3. Isn't it funny that it is naturally assumed that the stupid vote goes Democrat?

A real example of a gadfly candidate who did fuck somebody over is Ross Perot. If it wasn't for that jug eared Martian we never would have had Clinton.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7960837 - 01/31/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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I think that the definition of wanker just might be perfectly realized by Ralph Nader. Pointless feel good behavior with zero chance of bearing fruit except a transitory euphoria that leaves a small mess in its wake. Spot on, if you ask me.

Nader's stock investments might be of interest to you. He has become quite wealthy. For a pointless exercise in knee chopping try this.
http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

There's lots more if you want to look. I've done all I'm going to.




What do I care how much money he makes?.. as long as he doesn't own a sweatshop.

Guiliani's rich... you still like him


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7960960 - 01/31/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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3. Isn't it funny that it is naturally assumed that the stupid vote goes Democrat?




Does it? Not in the world I live in...I assume that democrats and republicans are equally stupid.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7961191 - 01/31/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

A wanker indeed, he could have gotten himself arrested by doing a little civil disobedience at debate he was barred from. Link, http://www.gp.org/press/pr_04_16_02.html

It was the perfect opportunity to make a grand gesture, he either doesn't have a clue, or prefers to whine about what is wrong rather than lead.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: falcon]
    #7961206 - 01/31/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Doesn't leading involve pointing out what's wrong with the status quo and offering to try to change it? How is that whining?

If that's whining, then every presidential candidate for the past few months has been a whiner... whiners with more support than nader... but whiners nevertheless

I said it before and I'll say it again. Nader's a great guy. It's his followers that make him look like a douche. They're the hardcore black-block-mommy-and-daddy-pay-all-my-tuition-and-i-spend-all-my-time-bitching-about-capitalism-and-growing-dreadlocks spoiled brats.

Don't confuse that with Nader himself. He's done good things for this country. He's succesfully fought for and won battles to force car manufacturers to create safer automobiles. His umbrella organization helped facilitate the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Freedom of Information Act, Consumer Product Safety Commission, etc. I don't agree with all his views and think he wants to overregulate a lot of things like more of the hardcore democrats do, but everyone's got their own opinions. Don't let that veer you from recognizing the great work the man's done all his life.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: BrAiN]
    #7961240 - 01/31/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Read the article, he was barred entrance, state troupers were going to arrest him, this would have meant big press for him, it would have drawn attention to the that fact that third party candidates are out of luck when it comes to the debate, he can't act on his feet.

Doesn't leading involve pointing out what's wrong with the status quo and offering to try to change it? How is that whining?

An act of civil disobedience that got him arrested would have given him a larger audience. He would have been able to point out what is wrong to a larger group of people.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7961251 - 01/31/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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If you will recall Nader didn't fuck over Gore so much because Gore voters wanted to vote for Nader. The accusation, with pretty much zero actual support apart from some anecdotal reports from retards, was that people were confused by the ballot and mistakenly selected Gore. Three things about this.

1. No actual proof
2. Should people too stupid to fill out a ballot even have a vote?
3. Isn't it funny that it is naturally assumed that the stupid vote goes Democrat?

A real example of a gadfly candidate who did fuck somebody over is Ross Perot. If it wasn't for that jug eared Martian we never would have had Clinton.




yah, I didn't say I agreed that he spoiled anyone... then again I succumed to stupidity and voted for kerry in 04 as opposed to a third candidate at the last minute to try and prevent bush from winning

What is your opinion on our voting system though, zappa?

Would you support a trickle run-off election where you get a first and second choice vote of the kind endorsed by nader? This would seem to limit the spoiler effect (presuming only one spoiler per popular candidate if you only get on second tier vote)

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Instant Run-off Voting allows voters to rank their vote -- voters indicate a one for a first choice, two for a second choice, and three for a third choice. This simple but ground-breaking advance in elections ensures that in an election with more than two candidates, your vote can count for your second choice if your first choice can't win. Here's how it works: if a candidate receives a majority of first choices, that candidate wins. If not, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated, and a second round of counting occurs wherein the eliminated candidate's votes go to each voter's next choice. Rounds of counting continue until there is a majority winner.



http://www.votenader.org/issues/index.php?cid=40

I support this idea in principle, and think it would work better in practice.


Don't know if your a fan of any third party candidates in recent elections, but woulnd't you agree this would be more fair, without favoring either the well known or less known candidates?


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: johnm214]
    #7961313 - 01/31/08 05:58 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I am certainly not overwhelmed by the efficacy of what is currently the system. For instance it disgusts me unto death that Iowa and NH are so vital. Yeah, I wouldn't weep to see the end of primaries. Cut to the chase, everyone duels against everyone, and the last two run off. I'd go for that. Won't ever happen, though.


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Re: Nader gets serious about presidential bid [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7961578 - 01/31/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Amen to that... just a giant royal rumble. Technically everyone COULD run all at once... they just wouldnt be able to run under a "party"... but who fuckin cares.


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