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Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?"
    #7955236 - 01/30/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

What is the purpose of continuing this charade?

Listen, I don't begrudge the Conservatives their news network. Thats fine. But at least have the gall to be honest about it. Call yourself the fucking Conservative News Network.

Why maintain a guise of legitimacy?

I know the Conservatives gush about CNN being a liberal outlet, but they don't watch it much. I watch it every day and there is a vast breadth of views supported by CNN, MSNBC, and the others. Is there one liberal with a show on Fox News? Alan Colmes? Does he really count?

I don't hate Fox News. They have the best production values of the networks, but just drop the "Fair & Balanced" shit. Everyone knows its not true, from Rupert Murdoch to whoever that blond-haired cunt is who screeches at me every day around 4 pm.

so why?


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7955254 - 01/30/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Alan Colmes? Does he really count?

Colmes is merely a stooge designed to make Hannity look good by comparison. He is an unattractive man who is fairly passive in manner.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zorbman]
    #7955285 - 01/30/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

If it was the Conservative News Network (CNN2 I guess), wouldn't they be more in favor of Ron Paul?

Bill O'Reilly is the symbol of one absolute, Colbert the other, imo. It is a game.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7955325 - 01/30/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I hate fox news. and u are right fuck "Fair & Balanced"!



Who cares what Alan Colmes thinks. (liberal idiot)

Who cares what Geraldo Rivera thinks? (Socialist)

and i cant stand to look at Greta Van Susterens little Commie face!



Fair”, is good enough, I have no interest in balance.

right now i prefer CNN with a BS filter


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7955498 - 01/30/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

cnn is just as bad

get over it and find something better if msm news bothers you so much


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zorbman]
    #7955530 - 01/30/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Alan Colmes? Does he really count?

Colmes is merely a stooge designed to make Hannity look good by comparison. He is an unattractive man who is fairly passive in manner.




No.. he's the token liberal so they can try to pull off the "FAIR AND BALANCED" facade.

If it really WERE fair and balanced, Colmes would have his own show on fox. He doesn't.. does he?

I'm be damned if Fox doesn't have the hottest female reporters through.

But yea, they picked the least articulate, most stereotypical liberal to put up there.. Alan.

Geraldo isn't a socialist.. just a complete idiot. Greta is about the only non-polar person on that whole network and only because she just covers a bunch of boring ass stories like Natalie Hallawhatshername.

And yea.. CNN and MSNBC are just as bad... especially Keith Oberman. That man seems to make a career WHINING about Fox News.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: BrAiN]
    #7955587 - 01/30/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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No.. he's the token liberal




That is exactly what I was saying by using the word "stooge".

He makes the conservative look good by comparison. It's the same phenomena whereby an attractive girl pals around with a fat chick.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: zorbman]
    #7955734 - 01/30/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

All this talk of Liberal vs Conservative is nonsense. Both news networks have only one goal: to keep you uninformed about things that matter. CNN is even more guilty than FOX, because they have a far better guise of legitimacy. FOX has abandoned that, at least.

TURN OFF YOUR TV.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Minstrel]
    #7955824 - 01/30/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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All this talk of Liberal vs Conservative is nonsense.  Both news networks have only one goal:  to keep you uninformed about things that matter.  CNN is even more guilty than FOX, because they have a far better guise of legitimacy.  FOX has abandoned that, at least.

TURN OFF YOUR TV.




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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7956195 - 01/30/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Minstrel's right on the money with this one.:thumbup:

All these so-called "news" outlets do is divert our attention away from real issues and have us focus on Natalee Holloway or some other tripe that has no business dominating our news. When international politics is brought up it is usually in a very childish way that hardly gives a balanced perspective.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7958050 - 01/30/08 09:51 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Thats so funny.

Conspiracy theories make me laugh.

The news agencies put out what people want to see. The vast majority of the United States population are ignorant, uninformed, and apathetic. Americans, as a whole, care more about a hot college girl who disappears w/out a trace in the Caribbean than they do about Iraq.

Its sad, but its true.

*THAT* is why they report this stuff, not because they are beholden to vast corporations to keep you ignorant. News Flash! You are not that fucking important.

If you don't think you can get a decent idea of what goes on in the world from news, you're just ignorant.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Minstrel]
    #7958162 - 01/30/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Minstrel said:
All this talk of Liberal vs Conservative is nonsense. Both news networks have only one goal: to keep you uninformed about things that matter. CNN is even more guilty than FOX, because they have a far better guise of legitimacy. FOX has abandoned that, at least.

TURN OFF YOUR TV.




I replaced my tv permanently with the internet. TV is obsolete.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Ferris]
    #7958173 - 01/30/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Yes, because prisonplanet.com or ihaterepublicans.com don't have any bias at all...

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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958188 - 01/30/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Hey, I get my news from neutral sources and I even cross-reference my shit on occasion. I'm seriously critical of people who get their news from certain "independent" sources.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Ferris]
    #7958200 - 01/30/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Sure, good idea.

I suggest Google News, which is not a news site on its own, but instead a compilation of other sources.

I didn't mean to attack you personally, I just hate it when people say CNN is not to be trusted, but swallow everything Alex Jones puts out hook, line, and sinker.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958226 - 01/30/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I like Google news too, because if I sense something's not balanced, I can move on to the next of over 1000 sources. Good stuff.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958376 - 01/30/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Thats so funny.

Conspiracy theories make me laugh.

The news agencies put out what people want to see. The vast majority of the United States population are ignorant, uninformed, and apathetic. Americans, as a whole, care more about a hot college girl who disappears w/out a trace in the Caribbean than they do about Iraq.

Its sad, but its true.

*THAT* is why they report this stuff, not because they are beholden to vast corporations to keep you ignorant. News Flash! You are not that fucking important.

If you don't think you can get a decent idea of what goes on in the world from news, you're just ignorant.




Wow man, way to jump to several conclusions that aren't supported by what I said. People who give others attitude and call them conspiracy theorists without full information make ME laugh.

As you yourself say, "the vast majority of the United States population are ignorant, uninformed, and apathetic." Funny, I thought that one of the media's purposes was to inform the uninformed. If they were doing their job people would be more informed about the economy, politics and international relations rather than a hot chick that disappeared in the Caribbean. I don't think it is, as you say, what people demand, it is what they are given. The culture (including the media) we are surrounded by has become very dumbed down and this has in turn dumbed down the people. You and I have a different view on this, which is fine, and I personally think you're putting the cart before the horse but there's no need to resort to calling me a conspiracy theorist.

And FYI, I find Alex Jones and his ilk to be totally full of shit as are CNN and Fox. Google News is good as is Associated Press and BBC News... always good to have multiple sources. Reading between the lines and critical thinking go a long way in this day and age.


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7958471 - 01/30/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Americans are not dumbed down by the news media.

50% of the population probably never watches any cable news at all...

Americans are stupid because of the vast culture of ignorance that pervades this whole country. People are ignorant of politics because their moron friends have been telling them that voting doesn't matter. People are ignorant of other countries because they get their information from Hollywood movies.

The majority of the people just don't care.

But don't blame CNN for that.

Pearls before swine, and all that.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958555 - 01/30/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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The news agencies put out what people want to see. The vast majority of the United States population are ignorant, uninformed, and apathetic. Americans, as a whole, care more about a hot college girl who disappears w/out a trace in the Caribbean than they do about Iraq.





yep, like when they dance around an obvious but unmentionable solution to a problem, get two people polarized from each other but so crooked from a neutral position they can't even see neutral from where they are.


Its a charade, but its what people want. People want to feel informed, or those who watch the news do. They also seem to like blow hards dancing around issues, makes them feel smart I'd guess (like I do for calling them on it) being able to pick out the idiocy of the heads they put on. Getting two people so crazed and intellectually incestuous they probably don't realize how stupid they sound. America doesn't seem to mind, and it perpetuates the status quo.

I believe news mainly follows the passions of the populace, as do politicians. I would have to believe what we get is exactly what is desired... and it only serves to mire us in the same old problems...

where were the people debating, wait, do we really need to go to war w/ saddam (admitadly the news channels did have debates on this, thought they seemed to miss the point, from what I remember- is it worth going in even if he has some nerve gas? Who fucking cares.... He's starting to cooperate again w/ inspections and we have no evidence of wmd. Do we really need to prohibit personal choices like drugs and home mortgages for people w/ less than ideal credit? Do we really need a patriot act, oh wait, now everyone who voted for it changes their mind, yet won't do shit to repeal it...

Sure all these things are getting press now, but where were they at the time of the roll-out? In bed w/ the american public who doesn't really care to think beyond what's presented by the authority.


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on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being
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Re: Can Fox News just stop saying "Fair & Balanced?" [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
    #7958559 - 01/30/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Funny, I thought that one of the media's purposes was to inform the uninformed.




Twenty-five years ago you'd be right. Back then the networks ran news programs as a public service. They didn't much care whether they made money or not since they only represented about 30 minutes of programming per day.

Today, with 24 hours "news" networks, the goal is to get ratings and make money. Since that is their entire reason for existing, they go for the lowest common denominator. Police chases, fires, hostage standoffs, missing pretty young white females and shiny objects. Soap opera stuff.


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