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Re: holy shit [Re: Fraggin]
    #7955860 - 01/30/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Fraggin said:
Sounds like she could benefit from more shrooms. Higher dose. Once you hit that level where you're experiencing yourself through other person's realities, you begin to see how flawed you are and can be. It's an epiphanie that you will remember when you're sober, and you will definitley not want to be that person you saw in your trip.

Make her your psychidelic pigmaleon and see how deep you can drag her into the rabbit hole. You never know, this trip may have saved a part of her life.

And I call BS on not remembering what she said. I/you/we always remember, we just use that excuse to escape the responsibility of our actions.




You cant take risks like that when your playing with something as fragile as another persons psyche. Its not your place to force someone to come to terms with a problem that you perceived they have.

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b0red5tiff said:  she needs to work some things out without them before she will ever be even remotely ready.




:yesnod:


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Re: holy shit [Re: sui]
    #7955884 - 01/30/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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suimush said:
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Fraggin said:
Sounds like she could benefit from more shrooms. Higher dose. Once you hit that level where you're experiencing yourself through other person's realities, you begin to see how flawed you are and can be. It's an epiphanie that you will remember when you're sober, and you will definitley not want to be that person you saw in your trip.

Make her your psychidelic pigmaleon and see how deep you can drag her into the rabbit hole. You never know, this trip may have saved a part of her life.

And I call BS on not remembering what she said. I/you/we always remember, we just use that excuse to escape the responsibility of our actions.




You cant take risks like that when your playing with something as fragile as another persons psyche. Its not your place to force someone to come to terms with a problem that you perceived they have.

Quote:

b0red5tiff said:  she needs to work some things out without them before she will ever be even remotely ready.




:yesnod:




Yeah, you're probably right. Bad advice.


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Re: holy shit [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7955923 - 01/30/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

On saturday a friend of mine had an absolute acid freak out, started screaming that he wanted to die and spouting really dark poetry. It totally destroyed my trip, and I eventually had to grab his hand and lead him all the way back to my house telling him that he was ok, that I loved him and that he was a good person. Back at my house he typed some poems that seemed to me to be saying that he really hated me and was in some way jealous, though I don't really know why- I'm not that great.

Ultimately, while it put me through utter hell, I hold no resentment. During an ego lessening experience, people can absolutely freak out and all the darkness inside them comes bubbling to the surface. What you saw in your friend is actually a pretty minor version of this. I've heard stories of people running naked down the street screaming homophobic and racist abuse. I think that sometimes when the ego feels threatened, if you aren't able to totally let it go, it sort of kicks into overdrive and all the brain's defence mechanisms go totally mad.

I'm still recovering from the shear trauma of having this dude freak out while I was on an absolutely huge dose of acid, but really, resentment isn't going to help. The girl wasn't ready for the experience and she freaked out- she probably shouldn't do psychedelics. Some people just can't handle the experience. It's not her fault and it's not your fault. It's just the way things played out. No reason to not be friends with her anymore unless it was so hard for you that you really can't face being around her.


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Re: holy shit [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7956274 - 01/30/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Fuck her man. You don't deserve that from a friend, especially a friend that provided her with some free mushrooms.

Psychedelics can bring out things in the back of the mind, and in my opinion that's what happened here.


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Re: holy shit [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7956314 - 01/30/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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EllisDSox said:
On saturday a friend of mine had an absolute acid freak out, started screaming that he wanted to die and spouting really dark poetry. It totally destroyed my trip, and I eventually had to grab his hand and lead him all the way back to my house telling him that he was ok, that I loved him and that he was a good person. Back at my house he typed some poems that seemed to me to be saying that he really hated me and was in some way jealous, though I don't really know why- I'm not that great.

Ultimately, while it put me through utter hell, I hold no resentment. During an ego lessening experience, people can absolutely freak out and all the darkness inside them comes bubbling to the surface. What you saw in your friend is actually a pretty minor version of this. I've heard stories of people running naked down the street screaming homophobic and racist abuse. I think that sometimes when the ego feels threatened, if you aren't able to totally let it go, it sort of kicks into overdrive and all the brain's defence mechanisms go totally mad.

I'm still recovering from the shear trauma of having this dude freak out while I was on an absolutely huge dose of acid, but really, resentment isn't going to help. The girl wasn't ready for the experience and she freaked out- she probably shouldn't do psychedelics. Some people just can't handle the experience. It's not her fault and it's not your fault. It's just the way things played out. No reason to not be friends with her anymore unless it was so hard for you that you really can't face being around her.




thank you so much for this reply :sun:

i'm not blaming her or me or the mush, like you said it's how things played out. i am her friend despite i knew or guessed that much before. she's gotten me out of a bad situation once and i owe her. although i consider i've been there for her enough to consider it repayed i don't resent her still - it just hurts me that she's the way she is and that she can't see herself in a way that would provoke mental growth in her. it hurts to see her trip over her shadows and fears over and over but i don't like turning my back on ppl that haven't specifically targeted me for the purpose of harming me.

she's the way she is and i'm the way i am, i guess that's why we're friends. and the first chance i'm gonna see her irl i'll tell her what happened and try to discuss it honestly because that's what i'd  like a friend would do to me.


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Re: holy shit [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7956408 - 01/30/08 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

ya
this is the kinda thing she has to work out on her own

and it sounds to me like she wont be doing that any time soon or ever


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