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OfflineAxleXavier
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Mycojars - opinoins please
    #7955162 - 01/30/08 11:25 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i was about to buy some of the mycojars off of EDIT BY RR: KNOWN RIP-OFF SITE and i was wondering if you have to pressure cook those.

any other thoughts on the mycojars as opposed to using the typical canning jars


Edited by RogerRabbit (01/30/08 01:46 PM)


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: AxleXavier]
    #7955171 - 01/30/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Just buy the supplies and make your own jars... You can do it for half the cost.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: endepth]
    #7955211 - 01/30/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

plus whats the fun of buying pre-made jars?


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: UCX_911]
    #7955218 - 01/30/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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plus whats the fun of buying pre-made jars?




Agreed! You wont learn nearly as much that way.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: endepth]
    #7955237 - 01/30/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I've seen alot about them lately, are they some kind of sponsor now or something? Alot of the stuff i've seen has been negative..


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: Jrsxt]
    #7955255 - 01/30/08 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

you dont need to sterilize them, they are already sterilized when you get them. you should probably wipe them down with an alcohol pad though, but you certainly dont want to open them

everyone will tell you that you should make your own jars, it is more cost effective but much more time consuming, if you just want to dabble in the hobby a little i would suggest buying a few mycojars and testing them out, if you decide to continue with the hobby it is HIGHLY suggested that you make your own jars, it will save you LOTs of money in the long run and you will learn a lot more

just make sure you purchase the mycojars from an official shroomery sponsor


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: shroober]
    #7955554 - 01/30/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

thanks for everyones replies

i WOULD go the full nine and do my own jars but i live in a dorm and utilizing pressure cookers and what not really isnt an option right now


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: AxleXavier]
    #7955685 - 01/30/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

That site has the third worst reputation in the business and they're not a sponsor here for that very reason. It's your money, but if you waste it on those sleazy fucks, don't ask for help later when nothing works. Check out our sponsors forum. They perform well or get kicked off the site. You'll find what you're looking for I'm sure.
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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7955698 - 01/30/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i'd be interested to learn who the first two are with the bad reputations


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: shroober]
    #7955732 - 01/30/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Well if RR calls them "sleazy fucks" I wouldn't mess around with it, I have never seen that man curse in any capacity so they must be very special to warrant such a colorful description! I would also be interested to know who is at the top of the shit list, but I realize this thread is not for slagging.

Personally I have never bought any precomposed substrates or kits and I would suggest you don't get into the habit of doing so.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: shroober]
    #7955736 - 01/30/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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i'd be interested to learn who the first two are with the bad reputations



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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: shroober]
    #7955742 - 01/30/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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everyone will tell you that you should make your own jars, it is more cost effective but much more time consuming




How? The time it takes to ship, anyone can fabricate an assload of jars with materials around the neighborhood.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: zathan]
    #7955823 - 01/30/08 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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zathan said:
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everyone will tell you that you should make your own jars, it is more cost effective but much more time consuming




How? The time it takes to ship, anyone can fabricate an assload of jars with materials around the neighborhood.





you are seriously going to debate this with me?

Ok, well lets compare the amount of time required to do both.

Making Your Own Jars...
-Read everything about PFtek and learn how to make substrate and prepare jars
-Find and buy canning jars
-Find and buy brown rice flour
-Find and buy vermiculite
-Thoroughly clean all jars
-Poke 4 holes in all jar lids
-Properly mix verm, brf, and water
-Fill jars with prepared substrate
-Find or buy tyvek
-Cut tyvek into squares
-Place tyvek on jar openings and place lid on top of tyvek
-Sterilize jars either in a PC or by boiling them
-Let the jars cool overnight
-Inoculate the jars


Buying pre-made myco jars...

-Go online and purchase jars
-Inoculate jars


I'm not suggesting that everyone should buy pre-made mycojars, I've never done it, but what I am saying is that it is FAR LESS time consuming to do it this way compared to preparing your own jars. That's just common sense.

And how does it make sense to include shipping time into the equation? Either way you will likely have to wait for the spores to be shipped so you're waiting anyway. And you're going to tell me that you can start this hobby knowing absolutely nothing and then three days later have perfectly prepared substrate jars? By the way, 3-5 days is about what it takes to ship almost anything using priority mail.

I don't even know why I'm explaining this, it's pure common sense to anyone with half a brain. Buying something versus building something is usually quicker although more expensive. Again, I'm not suggesting thats what everyone does, I'm just saying its quicker.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: shroober]
    #7955844 - 01/30/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

That all took me a day.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: zathan]
    #7955916 - 01/30/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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you are seriously going to debate this with me?



First off, you completely reframe his argument to make it an increasingly unfair comparison. The argument was creating jars vs buying jars - NOT learning how to create jars, acquiring all the jar supplies, then preparing the jars versus buying them. Half the crap you added on your list is stuff that once learned stays with you, some of it literally - do you only buy enough supplies for one jar at a time, or dozens? It's the old adage, give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him to fish and he will eat for life.

Of course it's easier to buy a frozen brownie mix in an oven safe tray, but you'd get fucking laughed out of the room if you posted that as a reply to a thread on Brownie Recipes on a cooking forum.

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And you're going to tell me that you can start this hobby knowing absolutely nothing and then three days later have perfectly prepared substrate jars?




Are you trying to tell me that's impossible for any human to accomplish? Because you're wrong, anyone can follow a recipe.


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: xeallos]
    #7956038 - 01/30/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Well if a person is new to the hobby then I will only assume that he does not have all the necessary supplies just laying around his house. I can only assume that he will be forced to find and purchase those supplies. Which is why I included it into the time it takes to prepare substrate jars. And even if he DID have all the necessary supplies it doesn't take a genius to know that it is still quicker to purchase something already made than to make it yourself, I don't care if you're talking about 1 or 1000 jars. Again, common sense.

And I clearly did not "reframe" the argument. I perceived his statement as questing rather the time it took to purchase pre-made jars was longer or shorter than preparing jars at home. I apologize to zathan if I misunderstood his post.


And as for your last statement, MOST people have jobs and therefore have responsibilities, typically not everyone can spend 72 straight hours learning a new hobby and purchasing all the necessary supplies.

But perhaps I'm wrong and you're right :smile:


Edited by shroober (01/30/08 03:43 PM)


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Re: Mycojars - opinoins please [Re: AxleXavier]
    #7956209 - 01/30/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i actually ordered from these people. I got my product in a reasonable time. However Both of mine got contams as the ones i made survived cleanly to fruiting. The jars had a funny smell to them to begin with, but i thought whatever and inoculated. bad bad people.

like they said make your own jars. Its much more rewarding. But if you must have pre-made jars, PM me and i will give you a site i dont think many people know about with very reputable jars.


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