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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8086084 - 02/29/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Even the unique strains, such as Koh Samui sometimes look completely "normal".
This is a current grow of Koh Samuis I have going on, and although I expected something like the above posted pics, something like this developed:



Doesn't look like Koh Samui, doesn't it 
It seems that the sad truth is: A cube IS and STAYS a cube
Thai Koh Samui and Koh Samui Super Strain are 2 entirely different strains. The first one being a regular looking cube and the second being those freaks you see in my pics.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8087887 - 02/29/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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KSSS was isolated from Koh Samui. They both come from the same source spores (discovered by mjshroomer in Koh Samui Thailand)... sorta like EQ and Yosterizi (sp?).
www.TheHawksEye.com was the first vendor to sell KSSS... and from multispore, at the very least, KSSS is SUPPOSED to produce a better pinset, on average, than regular Koh Samui (but this may lead to less variety between the actual KSSS fruits)... of course you can get similar results by isolating your own prolific Koh Samui substrain and printing it.
www.thehawkseye.com goes to some effort to keep their, "Wild" cube strains as "Wild" as possible... and if you work with agar, this variety in possible substrains can make your work quite fun and you can get some unexpected results.
They call Koh Samui Super Strain a "Super Strain" for at least two reasons...
Reason #1: KSSS is more "Domesticated" than the original KS. Reason #2: Calling something a "SUPER STRAIN" works as a GREAT marketing ploy for n00bs. 
As a "Strain" gets "Domesticated" through substrain isolation and subsequent printing, it can loose the variety of the original spore print... but it should produce more consistent results, since the isolates that are selected and printed are usually from prolific fruiters.
And thanks Fahk for the B-Day egg and toast. Yummy. I want that EVERY Leap Year!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8088009 - 02/29/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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happy bday ur born feb 29th?
that would pwn to not have a bday every year
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
#8088656 - 03/01/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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And thanks Fahk for the B-Day egg and toast. Yummy. I want that EVERY Leap Year!
You're welcome!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8089981 - 03/01/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I say that they are different, I meant as far as characteristics are concerned, not the origin of the strain. The difference isn't just a marketing ploy from my comparisons.
A lot of the confusion between these 2 strains comes from mislabeled prints and syringes traded between members. I received 2 seperate prints from people that were supposed to be the Super Strain, but were just the regular Koh Samui. Grow out both strains from Ralph and you will see there is a distinct difference. Sure, you may get a shroom or two from an MS grow that looks like the opposing strain, but from my experience, it happens about as often as growing an albino fruit from a MS PE grow.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8090132 - 03/01/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand... but unless you have a microscope and can show me the differences in the spores, you could be wrong about the mislabeled KSSS prints. Perhaps the super strain has more KS traits than you think.
However Ralph was not the first vendor to sell either of those, "Strains"... so his version of both of the KS, "Strains" may be even more specified or, "Domesticated" than Hawk's.
When working with cubes, I'd want to work as close to the source spores as I could.
Other vendors may be looking for different traits (like better pin sets, and reduced variety) with THEIR version of the KS, "Strains". I'd want to have the opportunity to do that my own self (on agar) if I were so inclined. I would also prefer to give my hard earned cash to the people who first released a strain to the public... or when that is not possible, to vendors who have a vested reason to respect the history and integrity of a particular strain.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8098670 - 03/03/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know what your beef with Ralph is, but you can take that up with him. My point is still that the FRUITS of the 2 "STRAINS" look totally different. What the spores look like is totally irrelevent to what I stated. I could care less who you spend your money on and for what reasons.
If someone buys the KSSS strain, they should know it looks completely different than the KS strain. That's the type of thing noobs looking at this thread want to know, not what the spores look like under the microscope or what vendor sold them first.
Edited by FooMan (03/03/08 07:43 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8098806 - 03/03/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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seems like cervantes was making a respectful statement about his thoughts and never showboated about using AGAR and a MICROSCOPE.
It seems to a passive observer of this thread that you are being somewhat of a bitch.
Anyways, this thread has been SUPER informative and I think that my next order will contain Penis Envy and Pan Cyan syringes.
So far I've got Golden Teacher and B+ in LC with Ecquador and Treasure Coast on the way.
I also want the Albino substrain of PE. Should I just buy it or fruit my PE from multispore until I get the mutation?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8099276 - 03/03/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: You use a MICROSCOPE? And AGAR? Man, you must be some kind of mushroom GOD! 
Never used them, never intend to. However I stand by my points. If it can't be proven... it is usually bullshit. If it can't be proven, I won't state it as fact. You can, but I won't. I have been around these boards for a while and have learned that is how you stay out of trouble (usually).
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Get off your fucking high horse.
I prefer my high horse. Why lower myself?
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I don't know what your beef with Ralph is, but you can take that up with him.
I have no beef with Ralph. The limited info on his website has lead to much confusion... case and point, our current discussion. I wish he would update his descriptions with more factual info. He is a quality vendor, which I can't say enough... apparently. He sells what he says he sells and his prices are great. He ships fast.
HOWEVER this discussion is concerning CUBE STRAINS and Ralph has done VERY LITTLE if ANYTHING to develop MOST OF THE STRAINS HE SELLS. His info about most of his, "Strains" is vague, limited and far too often, does not give credit to the people who first DEVELOPED THOSE SPORES thus ALLOWING HIM TO SELL THEM.
I am attempting to learn the history of each cube strain... and trust me, this project has required me to spend a great deal of time at Ralph's site. When it comes to THIS DISCUSSION, Ralph's website is of little to no help. And to say anything else would be a lie.
If you want a great selection of cheap cube spores, Ralph is the guy. When it comes to finding info about those, "Strains" Ralph is a dead end.
Now lighten your tone, I have no beef with you either.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8099324 - 03/03/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Now lighten your tone, I have no beef with you either.
LOL! After rereading both of our posts (and obviously AFTER you read the original), I edited my rant after realizing how rude my post came off and that yours didn't really come off the way I originally took it. Again, my original point was that the appearance of the 2 strains is totally different. IMO, their origins and what vendor they originated from had no relevance with my argument. I agree that Ralph's descriptions leave much to be desired and would add that some of his pictures could use some updating too (namely, pictures of pins???).
I jumped to conclusions on your post and apologize for being a prick. Ranting over and I appreciate how you took the high road after reading that bullshit. Now, let's get this thread back on topic!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8099533 - 03/03/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only reason I kept my cool is I KNOW you are a good guy, and I just figured it was a misunderstanding which would work itself out. If it was your first post, I'd suspect you were Ralph's puppet. 
Now, concerning KSSS... I believe since Hawk was the first vendor to carry it, HAWK'S description holds more merit. He knows the original KSSS substrain better than any other single vendor... and any other vendor who sells it does not. Other vendors may not be keeping the INTEGRITY OF THE STRAIN ALIVE. They may be looking to exploit other growth traits like better flushes and fewer mutants. The difference between vendors is probably not as EXTREME as I am making it out to be... but you see my point. It is hard to track... and unless we compile VALID descriptions of EACH UNIQUE STRAIN... the integrity of strains such as Koh Samui can be lost... and I would miss those hobbit shrooms.
In his defense, Ralph also, has several exclusive strains (Like Redboy and PE6)... and in those cases his descriptions hold a LOT OF merit. Too bad he doesn't have better descriptions. Are you beginning to see my frustration here? I'm a guy who wants to know his spores before he buys.
Oh, and now that it is safe to step off my high horse... Fuck off! Next time, read my post BEFORE you comment about it.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8099999 - 03/03/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I took a look at TheHawksEye yesterday I remembered what you said Foo, and checked out the Koh Samui section again.
The pics that were posted and are claimed to be Koh Samui (the original strain, show pretty much the growth you claimed to be typical for KSSS (which is something I don't want to argue about, since it's fact)), but it also shows, that Koh Samui looks actually the same, maybe with a greater affection to look like a normal cube, but nevertheless, it still is proclaimed to look like:
Koh Samui Classic - Thehawkseye
I'm almost sure you had a look at them before, but this is somewhat obvious, isn't it. I'm sure that this site tells the "truth" about this strain, at least more than most of the others, since the prints are from the actual sources, which they stay in contact with.
I've seen my own Koh Samuis and know, that they can look like other cube around, but so does every other strain (with very few exception, though I had PE's growing that also just look like any other cube strain).
From what I've read Koh Samuis are supposed to look like the ones above or in your pictures but maybe tend to look more like a normal cube, more than he KSSS strain.
Edited by Fahkface (03/04/08 12:23 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8101188 - 03/04/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I guess the difference between the strains is that the original KS strain will throw out both the normal and fat-bottomed cubes, while the Super Strain version is more domesticated like Cervantes stated and consistently throws out the fatties. I went through my spore library and just realized that the first KSSS print I worked with was from Ryche, not Ralph. All isolates from that print grew the fatties, so IME that trait isn't just with Ralph's version.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8102498 - 03/04/08 05:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey, I need some advice plz. I'm innoculating 9 1/2pint BRF jars tomorrow.
I was planning on using one of my lipa yai syringes but was looking at several different LY casings from BRF and they all appeared somewhat small.
So anyway putting aside the fact that a cube is a cube is a cube, should I inoculate with LY, OI or KS super or does is not matter since they're all thai strains anyway.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: FooMan]
#8102588 - 03/04/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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This isn't really the place for cultivation discussion. I know it strain talk and cult talk do overlap from time to time... but there are better places for cultivation discussion.
Just keep your cakes well watered and you'll do fine. They drink more water than you'd think, and large shrooms like OI will need that water to produce full-sized shrooms. They can survive a 24 huor dunk... so they can handle some rain.
Edit: This post was swapped with my next post.
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Edited by Rose (03/04/08 10:28 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Mahavatar]
#8102590 - 03/04/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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OI is from india not thailand 
I'd go with LY tbh OI doesn't preform well on cakes and KSSS is also a large fruit good for bulk.
definately not the OI if u do decide to go OI rip all the pins off but maybe 2
I don't have any hands on experience with KSSS but id go LY fo shizzle.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
#8102606 - 03/04/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright then LY it is, thanks flav.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Mahavatar]
#8102638 - 03/04/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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the LY doesn't seem a lot smaller but the KSSS does seem larger. It's just my observation
Either one just not OI
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8102711 - 03/04/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ALBINO PENIS ENVY!!!
APE is a cross between Penis Envy and PF Albino. See the APE entry in my journal for more links to the history of this cool cube.
This was just posted by Workman in my Cube Strain journal: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/117267
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Cervantes said: APE will be released to the public soon.
Keep an eye out for it at www.sporeworks.com
I know its been long in coming but its due to be announced as available 3/7/08 (but you might peek at www.sporeworks.com earlier just to see if you can catch it before the official Friday announcement).
I can't wait to see what people do with these spores.
APE is a cool looking strain. It is instantly recognized as a unique cube.
I wonder how many albinos one can expect from multispore... on average? I suspect this strain favors isolation.
There was a bit of doubt that these spores would ever be released. Much of this doubt generated by Workman, himself... APE must be dropping some spores or Sporeworks wouldn't be able to be release it to the public.
Enjoy!
Edit.... I swapped a couple of my posts to help with the continuity of this discussion.
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Edited by Rose (03/04/08 10:23 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8105857 - 03/05/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey, getting ready for a 40 jar inoculation today... just curious if anyone's had experience with Brazilians, Cambodians, REd Boys and Golden Teachers?
Anything special I should know about these strains?
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